Decent pitchers on crappy teams: Who will be our Bud Norris?

[crowmst3k!]

DD should make a trade for a decent pitcher on a crappy team, ala Bud Norris in 2013. For negligible prospects, he managed to get us a pretty solid pitcher for 2013-2015. Our farm system is not stacked enough to get a leet starter, so I think looking at the 'decent' crop would be the right focus.

Anyone have some candidates?

Keep in mind: the focus should be on 2017. Future cost, control, and long-term outlook are less important in this exercise.

 

[Can_of_corn]

2 minutes ago, crowmst3k! said:

DD should make a trade for a decent pitcher on a crappy team, ala Bud Norris in 2013. For negligible prospects, he managed to get us a pretty solid pitcher for 2013-2015. Our farm system is not stacked enough to get a leet starter, so I think looking at the 'decent' crop would be the right focus.

Anyone have some candidates?

Keep in mind: the focus should be on 2017. Future cost, control, and long-term outlook are less important in this exercise.

 

You consider Hader + first round pick negligible?  I also wouldn't call someone who put up a .7rWAR for the O's over that time period "pretty solid".  Remember he got released in 2015 and was pretty poor in 2013.

[Crazysilver03]

2 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

You consider Hader + first round pick negligible?  I also wouldn't call someone who put up a .7rWAR for the O's over that time period "pretty solid".  Remember he got released in 2015 and was pretty poor in 2013.

Hah I knew that line in the OP was going to get more attention than the question itself.

[Can_of_corn]

1 minute ago, Crazysilver03 said:

Hah I knew that line in the OP was going to get more attention than the question itself.

Because that line isn't even close to being an accurate accounting of events.

[Frobby]

5 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

You consider Hader + first round pick negligible?  I also wouldn't call someone who put up a .7rWAR for the O's over that time period "pretty solid".  Remember he got released in 2015 and was pretty poor in 2013.

I see that Hader's having some control issues so far this season.   My guess is he ends up as a very good bullpen guy.

[Can_of_corn]

Just now, Frobby said:

I see that Hader's having some control issues so far this season.   My guess is he ends up as a very good bullpen guy.

And are very good bullpen guys negligible in today's game?  Could the O's use another very good bullpen guy with Britton out?

[Just Regular]

I know they have had a strong start to the year, but this weekend we're seeing a team we could easily match up with.  You imagine the White Sox are looking for Rodon, Giolito and Lopez to earn some MLB work later this season, and Shields, Holland and Gonzalez figure to be available for far less than Quintana.

[bpilktree]

3 minutes ago, Frobby said:

I see that Hader's having some control issues so far this season.   My guess is he ends up as a very good bullpen guy.

He is having more then control issues though.  Wild an giving up a ton of homers.  He is an interesting case the Brewers have loaded farm and he comes up for rule 5 draft.  Does he get protected will be interesting.

[Can_of_corn]

Just now, bpilktree said:

He is having more then control issues though.  Wild an giving up a ton of homers.  He is an interesting case the Brewers have loaded farm and he comes up for rule 5 draft.  Does he get protected will be interesting.

You know he's pitching in Colorado Springs right?  6,531 feet above sea level.

[DirtyBird]

It's been 4 years and Hader hasn't touched the majors. Norris was a valuable piece to winning our first division title in 17 years.

I would make a similar trade again if it means winning the division this year or next.

 

[bpilktree]

3 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

You know he's pitching in Colorado Springs right?  6,531 feet above sea level.

Yes but 8 homers in 30 innings walking guys and not striking out nearly  what he has in past.  Is he hurt or something.

[Can_of_corn]

2 minutes ago, DirtyBird said:

It's been 4 years and Hader hasn't touched the majors. Norris was a valuable piece to winning our first division title in 17 years.

I would make a similar trade again if it means winning the division this year or next.

 

And how much of the team not making the playoffs in 2015 are you willing to lay at Bud's feet?  He was paid close to 9M and was horrid, necessitating Dan to have to go find a replacement for him.

Folks tend to give Norris a lot of credit for his slightly above average year in 2014 while glossing over his work in 2013 and 2015.

[Can_of_corn]

2 minutes ago, bpilktree said:

Yes but 8 homers in 30 innings walking guys and not striking out nearly  what he has in past.  Is he hurt or something.

I agree his numbers are not good, just pointing out that the home ballpark might be a factor.  It's a pretty extreme environment.

[Bahama O's Fan]

okay, away from the Norris/Hader talk. Any good pitchers on bad teams we might be able to acquire?

[DirtyBird]

Just now, Bahama O's Fan said:

okay, away from the Norris/Hader talk. Any good pitchers on bad teams we might be able to acquire?

 

It depends. How will said pitchers perform in 2019?