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Can_of_corn Hangout Grand Counsel

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3 minutes ago, Cumberbundy said:

If he wasn't hitting .220, the team probably wouldn't be struggling. He's the main reason for the struggles, he's the 490 million dollar boy. 

Right, it's him.

It isn't the starting pitching, or the bullpen, it isn't Hardy with his 524 OPS or Trumbo with his 725. 

The problem is obviously Manny.

I bet if he were hitting 270 the Bullpen doesn't blow any of those huge leads.

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You could give Manny all Chris Davis's money and the other $200 or $300 million it would take to get him but it still wouldn't make any sense unless they dramatically increased the payroll. The deal should be done after the season and pitching has to be the target. I wouldn't care if they didn't get one bat back. 

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1 minute ago, vab said:

You could give Manny all Chris Davis's money and the other $200 or $300 million it would take to get him but it still wouldn't make any sense unless they dramatically increased the payroll. The deal should be done after the season and pitching has to be the target. I wouldn't care if they didn't get one bat back. 

It would make plenty of sense if instead of Davis, Trumbo, and Hardy you had first round picks working their way through the system.  Every team in baseball could if built properly, support one large ticket player.

I'd much rather give Manny 30 than Davis 23.

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6 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

Right, it's him.

It isn't the starting pitching, or the bullpen, it isn't Hardy with his 524 OPS or Trumbo with his 725. 

The problem is obviously Manny.

I bet if he were hitting 270 the Bullpen doesn't blow any of those huge leads.

Why isn't it him? You just lump him in as part of a struggling team, he's the best player, he's been atrocious. You don't think we win some of these one run games if he isn't atrocious? How many games back do you think we are? 

Of course the pen is down, the best member of it is out. Manny is supposed to be a guy who makes up for weaknesses, not be a weakness himself. He deserves more blame than anyone. Absolutely.

You think fans should turn on a guy who throws a bat before one who hits .220, why so hard on JJ? ? 

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Losing his defense will hurt more than losing his offense if things continue as they have started this year.  His glove will be very difficult to replace.  Right now, having Machado, Davis, and Trumbo in the middle of the order and all struggling at the plate is killing this team.

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Manny is 0/10 in the 9th inning.

Manny is batting .163, with a .226 OBP, a .367 slugging %, and an OPS of .549 in innings 7-9. That's blowing games. That's melting down. That's at least as much of the reason we are struggling as anything. Moreover, he is almost none of the reasons we've won outside of Boston. He is the biggest issue. He is a weak hitter in his first AB and a useless hitter late. The O's have a 25-20 record ...if he wasn't absolutely pathetic we'd be in first. 

 

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If the Orioles are not in contention (within 5 games) by August, then you have to seriously consider trading Manny.   And either taking all the top prospects from a top five system or all the top prospects and some major league parts from a lesser system. 

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6 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

It's an opt out.  After they loudly proclaimed they wouldn't do one.

Why should we believe them?

So is several of the MiLB deals and have been for the past few years.  It is just the longer term deals (4 PLUS) that i think they are talking about when saying they won't go Opt Outs.

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1 minute ago, thezeroes said:

So is several of the MiLB deals and have been for the past few years.  It is just the longer term deals (4 PLUS) that i think they are talking about when saying they won't go Opt Outs.

Don't know.  I just know they said one thing and did something else.  ( I don't count minor league opt outs, that's a whole different animal in my book)

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