2017 26th round pick (788): Cameron Bishop - LHP - University of California - Irvine

[Can_of_corn]

4 minutes ago, MDtransplant757 said:

If they're anything like their father, we're in deep stuff. That and they won't spend as much. Historically, the kids of Steinbrenner and Ittlich won't be spending as much on the team. 

Do you think the Yankees are better off now or in the last couple years of George's time as owner?

[MDtransplant757]

Just now, Can_of_corn said:

Do you think the Yankees are better off now or in the last couple years of George's time as owner?

The last couple years of George's ownership were essentially run by the kids, because he was sick and going senile. The last real year he was active in baseball was 2006, but he had signifcant say until he died. Now because Steinbrenner isn't selling off prospects and Brian Cashman, who is a very good baseball mind can do as he pleases without someone breathing down his neck; the Yankees are better for it. 

[Can_of_corn]

1 minute ago, MDtransplant757 said:

The last couple years of George's ownership were essentially run by the kids, because he was sick and going senile. The last real year he was active in baseball was 2006, but he had signifcant say until he died. Now because Steinbrenner isn't selling off prospects and Brian Cashman, who is a very good baseball mind can do as he pleases without someone breathing down his neck; the Yankees are better for it. 

So despite spending less money the team is better off?

So maybe instead of signing Davis and Trumbo they spend on the International market?

We don't know how they would run the team.  I think it is foolish to assume a new owner would do a better job than the boys.

[MDtransplant757]

Just now, Can_of_corn said:

So despite spending less money the team is better off?

So maybe instead of signing Davis and Trumbo they spend on the International market?

We don't know how they would run the team.  I think it is foolish to assume a new owner would do a better job than the boys.

In the long run because they aren't overpaying for guys in free agency, in the case of the Yankees. 

That really can't be determened. We never had a big budget for international talent to begin with. You'd think Andy MacPhail and DD would have both pestered PA about this. 

I think the record would hypotetically be written on what kind of owner the kids/potential buyer will be in the first 18 months. 

[Obando]

I don't have an update to report, but I can tell you that Bishop is back pitching on the Cape to try and showcase his skills in front of all 30 teams, as it's still looking likely that he becomes a restricted free agent subject to draft pool spending.  But after looking through the money teams still have available to spend on draft picks, the only teams that could really offer more than the $600k the O's had agreed to give Bishop are pretty limited:  Marlins, Twins & Astros.  And this is based solely on pool limits without a draft pick penalty.  The Orioles still have the ability to offer the most money of any team without having to lose a draft pick ($980,735), so if they really want Bishop, they can have him.

After the Orioles, the Marlins can offer up to $927,275, the Twins can offer up to $899,235, and the Astros can offer up to $703,280.  The Reds are next at $633,520, but I don't really count them because the Orioles pool limit before factoring in a tax is $638,400, which is still more than the Reds have, and for all we know, that is the actual amount the O's agreed to give Bishop before they missed the deadline (the $600k could have just been a rounded off number).

So as you can see, while the Orioles could have some competition for Bishop's services, we aren't really talking about all 30 teams, as only 3 teams truly have the ability to offer more than what the Orioles presumably still have on the table for him.  Knowing how Boras operates, he will likely go with the highest bidder, which the Orioles still have the chance to be if Bishop continues to pitch well on the Cape abs stays healthy.  If anything, this could be looked at as a draft-and-follow type of situation, even though Bishop isn't technically under the Orioles control anymore.  But you have to figure the more looks we can get at him, the more comfortable we/Angelos will be in giving him as much as $980k, if that's what it takes to sign him.

[Obando]

Done deal.  MLB approved it because they didn't think it was fair that Bishop should lose out on the bonus money due to the Orioles delay in getting the deal paperwork submitted by the deadline, considering the agreement was in place prior to the deadline.  I'm glad it was approved, and we can add another quality lefty arm into the system.  I have seen reports that the deal is for either $605k (per Rosenthal) or $607k (per Hudson Belinsky of BA).

[bobmc]

 

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10 hours ago, bobmc said:

 

Good, so it confirms all that Obando told us. Thanks. 

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s Chatham’s Cameron Bishop (UC Irvine) struck out five and allowed two runs on three hits and no walks.

http://www.capecodtimes.com/sports/20170713/cape-league-roundup-harbor-hawks-outlast-anglers-on-road

[sportsfan8703]

Well nice we got this done. A little disappointed that we almost messed this up. Rep to the poster that told us about this. 

[Otter]

Very pleasantly surprised to see this news.  This draft was looking very disappointing, and would have been a lot worse if we had just pocketed that money.  Would be interesting to find out if it was Dan, Gary, or ownership that caused us to miss the deadline.  Regardless, nice to have a talented LHP in the organization.

[Cumberbundy]

Mlb feels bad for us. Sympathy for dealing with Dan & Angelos is welcomed. Thanks mlb.

 

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On 7/10/2017 at 9:28 AM, Obando said:

Apparently, the top 200 draft prospects as ranked internally by MLB take pre-draft physicals, so all teams have access to the results.  Conlon was on the top 200, while Bishop was not, so the Orioles had access to Conlon's medicals early on, while they didn't have any medicals for Bishop.  That is why they needed Bishop to take a physical before the deal would become official.  You'd think that they'd have enough time to get this all worked out by the 5 pm deadline on Friday, but apparently everything got delayed because Angelos tried to renegotiate the bonus terms due to something they saw on the physical.  The fact that he ultimately agreed to keep the terms the same tells me that the physical results weren't really that concerning, although I'm sure they saw something that gave them enough pause to try and change the deal terms.  

Whatever the case, I'm just so sick and tired of every potential signing, whether it's a major leaguer or a draft pick, becoming an adventure because of the Orioles stringent physical.  While players do fail other teams' physicals, it just seems like it happens much more often with the Orioles, and it's widely known that the Orioles physical is much tougher to pass than other teams. 

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No one who fails or is docked because of an Orioles physical turns out to be healthy enough to ignore. I think that someone offering a contract is permitted to have his own standards. And if the causes for the talent pool to be smaller, that is the club we all support. 

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On 7/12/2017 at 8:21 PM, Obando said:

I have some updated info to share based on recent intel I got from my source.  There is no resolution on this yet, as the MLBPA and legal department of MLB are still working on it.  However, it sounds like Bishop will become a restricted free agent that is still subject to team bonus pool amounts.  The plan is for him to go back to the Cape and continue pitching so all 30 teams can evaluate him and then submit their offers.  The Orioles would still have a very strong shot to sign Bishop since they can offer more than any other team if they offer up to their their limit without a draft pick penalty, which is $980,735, or essentially the equivalent of a 2nd round pick.  The Orioles have the most pool money saved of any team at $513,400 (the next closest is the Marlins at $333,500), but when factoring in the max a team can offer without incurring a draft pick penalty, the Orioles offer of $600k (which includes the $125k max teams can offer in rounds 11-40) could easily be outbid by some other teams.

However, knowing how Angelos operates, I'll bet his stubbornness won't let him authorize spending more than the $600k he "agreed" to pay Bishop before the signing paperwork was submitted after the deadline.  But if he is smart and takes into account that he spends no money internationally, he will recognize the error of his ways and ensure that the O's get Bishop signed, even though it could cost him almost $400k more than it should have if he would have just made the deal as negotiated before the deadline.

I'll keep you all posted the next time I get an update on this, but this is definitely an interesting development that could result in another team stealing Bishop from the O's due to their foolishness, unless of course Angelos steps up and gets it done this time.  You might want to follow Bishop's progress on the Cape to get a feel for what direction this could go in.

This is the poster who needs to be repped.

[sportsfan8703]

Bishop was ranked #319 overall by BA.  http://www.baseballamerica.com/draft-preview/?