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Joe Jordan was going to meet with Andy MacPhail and Mr. Angelos today before the draft to get a final feel on the direction this off season.

The feeling is that Joe prefers a bat with Alvarez and Smoak being at the head of the class, but that Matusz would be the pitcher if he gets an indication that the O's will persue Mark Texiera hard this off season.

So before you get too upset if Matusz is the first pick, let's remember the big picture. If Matusz is a legitimate #2 and possibly number 1 starter in the big leagues, and the Orioles have their sites on Texiera this off season, then it might make more sense to go with the pitcher than the first baeman.

Just a few things to think about before our first pick.

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Joe Jordan was going to meet with Andy MacPhail and Mr. Angelos today before the draft to get a final feel on the direction this off season.

The feeling is that Joe prefers a bat with Alvarez and Smoak being at the head of the class, but that Matusz would be the pitcher if he gets an indication that the O's will persue Mark Texiera hard this off season.

So before you get too upset if Matusz is the first pick, let's remember the big picture. If Matusz is a legitimate #2 and possibly number 1 starter in the big leagues, and the Orioles have their sites on Texiera this off season, then it might make more sense to go with the pitcher than the first baeman.

Just a few things to think about before our first pick.

Appreciate the viewpoint Tony. I have alot of faith in Joe Jordan (& Andy Macphail for that matter) and it will interesting to see Macphail's thumbprint on his first O's draft.

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Joe Jordan was going to meet with Andy MacPhail and Mr. Angelos today before the draft to get a final feel on the direction this off season.

The feeling is that Joe prefers a bat with Alvarez and Smoak being at the head of the class, but that Matusz would be the pitcher if he gets an indication that the O's will persue Mark Texiera hard this off season.

So before you get too upset if Matusz is the first pick, let's remember the big picture. If Matusz is a legitimate #2 and possibly number 1 starter in the big leagues, and the Orioles have their sites on Texiera this off season, then it might make more sense to go with the pitcher than the first baeman.

Just a few things to think about before our first pick.

Ugh I am not happy to hear about this. Just take the best talent available and don't draft based on what $150 million plus free agent we might be able to nab in the off-season. If they (read: Jordan) consider Smoak a better talent than Matusz then there shouldn't really be any reason they should pass on him.

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Boy, I think it's a big mistake for them to assume they can get any particular free agent - much less one that's as high profile as Teix. And then to make their pick based on that assumption is a mistake - and even a copout. Choose who you think is going to be the best major leaguer (within a reasonable timeframe).

Edit - Ya beat me to that opinion, RVA.

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My response to this, well, is this...

This concerns me... making a decision at pick #4 based on the possibility of signing a high end FA next year. This is not the way to do things and frankly is a bit disturbing. I hope this is not the reason we 'settle' for Matusz. If Matusz was in our top 4, so be it, otherwise... :mad:

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I prefer the hitter myself, but from what I understand, both Smoak and Matusz are nearly identical on the draft board. If Angelos,MacPhail believe they can get Texiera this off season, then it might not be the worse idea to go with Matusz.

From what I hear Matusz is legit, and will move very quickly. All things considered though, I'd rather have an impact bat if they truly beleive Smoak is that guy.

Tough decision either way. This is why Jordan makes the big bucks....

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My response to this, well, is this...

This concerns me... making a decision at pick #4 based on the possibility of signing a high end FA next year. This is not the way to do things and frankly is a bit disturbing. I hope this is not the reason we 'settle' for Matusz. If Matusz was in our top 4, so be it, otherwise... :mad:

From what I understand, Matusz is in the top four and is not a reach at #4. Again, I'm not saying the decision has been made or that Jordan discussed this with AM/PA, I'm just saying the meeting was supposed to happen, and the future including this off season was supposed to be discussed.

No reason to be upset over this unless you really don't like Matusz...

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Unless they have handshake agreement with Tex passing on Smoak is a huge mistake. Tex isn't a lock to wind up in a Orioles uni. I don't care how hard they pursue him. Unless they are guaranteed to land him, they can't base the draft on assuming that they sign him.

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Ugh I am not happy to hear about this. Just take the best talent available and don't draft based on what $150 million plus free agent we might be able to nab in the off-season. If they (read: Jordan) consider Smoak a better talent than Matusz then there shouldn't really be any reason they should pass on him.

What if they are rated equally? The system is short on power hitters no doubt, but if the O's believe they can sign Tex this winter, why not go for the #2 starter?

It's an interesting dilemma if you ask me. Fascinating really...

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Unless they have handshake agreement with Tex passing on Smoak is a huge mistake. Tex isn't a lock to wind up in a Orioles uni. I don't care how hard they pursue him. Unless they are guaranteed to land him, they can't base the draft on assuming that they sign him.

If Tex does not sign here this off season and Matusz becomes a number two starter in a few years with the orioles, did they still make a mistake? Even if Smoak becomes the next Jay Bruce kind of hitter?

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What if they are rated equally? The system is short on power hitters no doubt, but if the O's believe they can sign Tex this winter, why not go for the #2 starter?

It's an interesting dilemma if you ask me. Fascinating really...

Because they may not get Tex. He is a FA which means 29 other teams have a chance to blow us out of the water including the Red Sox, Yankees and Mets...

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From what I understand, Matusz is in the top four and is not a reach at #4. Again, I'm not saying the decision has been made or that Jordan discussed this with AM/PA, I'm just saying the meeting was supposed to happen, and the future including this off season was supposed to be discussed.

No reason to be upset over this unless you really don't like Matusz...

I'd say there is reason to be upset, not necessarily that we pick Matusz, but that the organization is comfortable working backwards like this. Who knows what was actually discussed but if the potential of getting Tex has any impact on our draft it's a terrible strategy IMO.

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If Tex does not sign here this off season and Matusz becomes a number two starter in a few years with the orioles, did they still make a mistake? Even if Smoak becomes the next Jay Bruce kind of hitter?

It all depends on who you get for 1B. You can't win on pitching alone and the minors are completely void of hitting prospects besides Wieters and maybe Reimold.

I would think this season is showing us pitching alone does not win ballgames. We could have Santana, Beckett, and Webb in our rotation and with the offense we have now still not win 80 games...

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Jordan said as much last night in an interview before the game. Bringing up FA targets as a consideration for your draft seems ill advised. This is especially true for Tex who will have several teams after him. Either this team has a hand shake deal done or it is not pointed in the direction I thought it was. If you pick Matusz because he's the highest left on your board, fine. If you pick Matusz because him and Smoak are evenly valued and you think you can get your power bat later, fine, but please don't make a decision on the hope that Tex is signing.

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Not happy to hear this either.

It's not that I don't like Matsuz, it's that I don't understand the philosophy of putting your eggs in one basket when it comes to signing Tex. You can throw as much money at him as you can, but even then it's not a sure thing. Like I said in another thread, there are simply too many variables when it comes to signing him.

Now if we were to draft Smoak and then sign Tex, that's a positive problem we have on our hands. Two switch hitting power first baseman? Jeez, a team should be so lucky...

So it's not that I don't like Matsuz, it's that I don't like the fact that it looks like we're banking on Tex....

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