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Dan Connolly gets a report from Adam Pohl, Baysox announcer, on what are the strengths and weakness of the top Baysox players after their season ended.   I found this report to be insightful as Hays, Santander, Mullins, Stewart, Scott, Ramirez, Hess and Long are all discussed.  Go to the bottom of the list to the 9-18-2017 show.

 

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8 minutes ago, Frobby said:

Is it fairly balanced, or just praise of all these guys?     Anything you didn't know already?

It talks about short coming as well.   Scott's fastball command,  Ramriez as a finesse  pitcher, Hess good at changing speeds but he has to be on to be effective, etc.

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Things I didn't know:

Hays:

Manager Kendall thinks Hays is as good as Schoop

Hays is a big time pull hitter

Pohl thinks Hays 2017 season was as good as Wieters 2008 and Mancini 2015

Hays was one of Baseball America's top 5 for minor league player of the year.

Will probably be in the top 20-30 in BAs top 100. per Pohl

Santander:

Scout says he thinks the best prospect out the four outfielders including Hays, Mullins and Stewart

Mullins:

Outstanding CF

Not a OBP guy

Scott:

throws 101 mph

Below avg command

Slider took a major step forward

Working on a change up 

Hess

When Hess is on he could pitch in the Majors now, Dominating at times

League avg pitcher at present

Extremely bright, estremely mature

Fly ball pitcher, great fastball

Fastball does not sink

Has a slider and a slow breaking ball, split changeup that is not as good asDrake

Mixes pitches well

70% fastballs

Long

Every thing he throws is hard

two seam sinking fastball, hard curve, cut fastball

wore down late

Ramirez:

Not overpowering stuff

Sinker

40% fastballs

Big change up pitcher,  best change since Bridwell and Davies

Gives up a lot of homers

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24 minutes ago, joelala said:

It still doesn't make sense to me.  He's saying he thinks Santander is a better prospect than Hays?? So we should expect to see him in the BA top 30 next season as well?

I see how a scout could get that impression.  Santander looked F'n amazing at Bowie, he looked like a man among boys, and he has a beautiful swing.  That said, he's not the prospect Hays is, he's not as good defensively, he's not as good of a baserunner, he doesn't have the same hit tool.  The thing that makes Hays special is his ability to hit everything hard, he can adjust his swing on the fly.  Santander, Mullins, and Stewart will probably show up in different orders in different top O's prospect lists.  I have Mullins highest because of his plus defensive ability in CF gives him both a high floor and a decent ceiling.  I have Stewart next because I think his approach plays at the MLB level. I just haven't seen Santander make adjustments to higher level pitching yet, in AA he kind of surprised pitchers, I need to see the book on him get out and then him adjust to the way pitchers are trying to work him before I can rank him higher.  He could end up the best hitter of the whole group though, just too much uncertainty right now.

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When Santander was in Bowie, I got to see him play twice, along with a few games in Frederick last season when he was with Lynchburg.

The dude LOOKS like a player. Big and strong, the ball ALWAYS sounded solid off the bat, no matter which side he hit from. His arm wasn't as good this year as last year. Even just during catch, it didn't have the same distance. 

Hays emerged out of nowhere to put up one of the greatest seasons and stories of the minors in 2017. Santander was taken as a Rule 5 out of Single A. The Orioles saw something out of him.

I don't think he ranks higher than Hays, but once he gets fully healthy and has a full off season after the AFL, don't sleep on him and know there is a reason to be excited about him.

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Satander walks, has serious power, and seems like a capable corner outfielder.  I have him behind Hays, but ahead of Mullins and Stewart.  Same age as Mullins and a year younger than Stewart.  

Like to see him get close to a full season in Bowie (maybe finishing in Norfolk) next year after he gets in his 45 days in Baltimore.  

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Glad to see we're back to rushing guys from Bowie straight to the majors instead of giving them a year at Norfolk and letting them fully develop. Just like the dark years. Hays will be exposed with the breaking ball, though. He's overmatched with breaking stuff, but he can hit a fastball and cement mixers in the middle of the plate. It's only a matter of time before the league figures that out and stops throwing him fastballs for strikes. Any time he has been thrown quality breaking pitches, he's completely fooled and is nowhere close with swings.

Santander may or may not be good, but once again, here we are praying for another rule 5 pick to become something special as well. Bowie is, once again, the new Norfolk because the major league club is desperate for talent and simply can't wait an extra year for these young guys to properly develop in the system. Dark years, here we come again. Call me negative all you want, but this formula is nothing that hasn't been seen before here.

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6 minutes ago, Sessh said:

Glad to see we're back to rushing guys from Bowie straight to the majors instead of giving them a year at Norfolk and letting them fully develop. Just like the dark years. Hays will be exposed with the breaking ball, though. He's overmatched with breaking stuff, but he can hit a fastball and cement mixers in the middle of the plate. It's only a matter of time before the league figures that out and stops throwing him fastballs for strikes. Any time he has been thrown quality breaking pitches, he's completely fooled and is nowhere close with swings.

Santander may or may not be good, but once again, here we are praying for another rule 5 pick to become something special as well. Bowie is, once again, the new Norfolk because the major league club is desperate for talent and simply can't wait an extra year for these young guys to properly develop in the system. Dark years, here we come again. Call me negative all you want, but this formula is nothing that hasn't been seen before here.

Yea, it totally ruined Markakis.  :rolleyes:

I'm old and forgetful, do you have a list of position players that were rushed and then were damaged by such rushing?

Would you consider the Bundy and Gausman quick promotions to the majors an example of these dark years?  What about Manny?  Was 2012 a dark year?

 

 

Norfolk is a holding place for AAAA talent.  While some players would benefit from facing that level of competition I am not at all convinced it is necessary for all players' development.

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Gausman? Yeah, he couldn't have benefited from the extra time to actually learn how to throw a slider that didn't end up in the seats. Kevin Gausman's career numbers are average at best and has never been able to find consistency, so I'm not sure why you thought he was a good name to throw around. Bundy hasn't been all that great in his time in the majors, either. Way too early to say he wasn't hurt.

Machado isn't even in the same discussion as the other two. He's not a typical case at all. I'm kind of surprised you would speak of him as if he wasn't the rare case that he is and then go so far as to mention him with the other two. They aren't even in the same discussion as Machado.. at least not yet and may never be.

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