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Assume we don’t trade Manny and he walks


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I don't see the O's are being bad in 19 at all. Even without trading Manny.

Hays, Mancini, and Sisco, have to take the next steps and become legit hitters, unlike this current group of swing n' miss guys Duquette has brought in.

Manny needs to be dealt, plain and simple. I believe the O's could be fantastic in '19 with the right acquisitions. They need a Cobb/Chatwood now and trade Manny for another starter or at least one that can count on around the break, to be ready. Better yet, acquire 2 solid starters. Although, not sure Duquette knows what even ONE looks like.

Without dealing Manny, they haev to sign 2 quality starters and need about 6-7 total, including depth arms.

The kids and a rotation of Gausman, Bundy, Cobb, Vargas (I like Ross), Mixed bag. Harvey and another young starter for Manny coming, and 19' could shape up well.

 

 

 

 

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On 11/10/2017 at 9:27 PM, Aristotelian said:

Even if they hit on the draft pick it will be 4+ years minimum before that guy makes it to the big leagues and probably another 2-3 years before he replaced Manny's production. And it is far more likely that he becomes another Wieters/Matusz/Gausman/Hobgood somewhere in the range between bust and mediocre MLB player.

I don't disagree.  That's why I wanted him moved in July when it was obvious we were pretty much done as a 2017 contender.

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5 hours ago, twinedenter said:

I don't see the O's are being bad in 19 at all. Even without trading Manny.

Hays, Mancini, and Sisco, have to take the next steps and become legit hitters, unlike this current group of swing n' miss guys Duquette has brought in.

Manny needs to be dealt, plain and simple. I believe the O's could be fantastic in '19 with the right acquisitions. They need a Cobb/Chatwood now and trade Manny for another starter or at least one that can count on around the break, to be ready. Better yet, acquire 2 solid starters. Although, not sure Duquette knows what even ONE looks like.

Without dealing Manny, they haev to sign 2 quality starters and need about 6-7 total, including depth arms.

The kids and a rotation of Gausman, Bundy, Cobb, Vargas (I like Ross), Mixed bag. Harvey and another young starter for Manny coming, and 19' could shape up well.

 

 

 

 

Well I do agree with your  thinking. But it depends on who the GM is in 2019. I am hoping DD doesn't get an extension. 

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48 minutes ago, Camden_yardbird said:

The point is not what the Orioles could be without him, it's what they could be if they turn his value over into useful players for the next 5 years.

That might be the right course of action, but it’s not the premise of this thread.

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20 hours ago, Tx Oriole said:

Well I do agree with your  thinking. But it depends on who the GM is in 2019. I am hoping DD doesn't get an extension. 

If DD doesn't get extended whom ever else takes his place will be far worse. Nobody better would take the job under PA and if he signs some young up and comer, PA will give him no authority. The one exception would be if Buck becomes GM which is what I think will happen.

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On 11/10/2017 at 8:17 AM, Frobby said:

Does that mean we’re doomed to be a bad team for the next several years?

Sometimes I think we get too wrapped up in one player.    The O’s went 49-31 without Manny in 2014.   It’s never all about one player.

At the same time, the handling of Manny is symptomatic of how the organization has been run the last few years, and that’s not good.    It would take a lot of smart decisions to keep the O’s competitive over the next five years.   

Yes, I think the team will be bad for the next several years.

Machado is only one player but he accounts for so many wins.  Moreso, I don't think the team will be able to make other moves to compensate if he just walks.  In other words, they don't have to stink, but they will.

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36 minutes ago, twinedenter said:

I cannot agree more. I am not sure I can take much more of him.

Replacement, just for replacement sake, doesn't always produce solid results!!!!!

Look at the managers and GMs that rolled through here for two decades.

DD is far from perfect, but should be given some credit for winning baseball and playoff trip.

 

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The constant calls to remove DD are scary.  He hasn't been perfect for sure, but lets remember that while he had a resume and the requisite experience for the job, he took the job after several notable candidates refused to even interview.  AM and DD together have moved the franchise from utter failure to respectability and competitiveness that was lacking for 14 years.  It really makes me nervous to think that Brady Anderson is being teed up to be the next GM.  If he is, I hope I am wrong.  I am more open to Buck moving upstairs, but pretty nervous about that as well.  

The bottom line is that if DD goes and Buck goes...Brady may well be the only one who will take the job.  

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The die is already cast, imho.  They are going for it with Manny in 2018 and if they are within 5 games of a wildcard spot at the trade deadline, they will not trade him then either.   We get a comp pick, period.  Whoever is in charge after 2018 will just have to deal with it because Dan and Buck are committed to keeping Manny in 2018. 

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Not trading him would be fine if there was some hope of extending or signing him. Not sure many people expect that’s a likelihood. 

But I found this surprising (albeit an unfamiliar source).

Machado will easily top $200MM and approach the $250MM mark when the time comes.

https://www.sportsblog.com/baseballdocs/the-2018-19-free-agent-class-manny-machado/

Seems lower than other estimates I’ve seen.

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23 minutes ago, RZNJ said:

That is a giant leap.   IMO,  the O's will do the same thing they did with Wieters.   Thank him for the years of service.    The only chance of Machado being traded is if the O's are hopelessly out of it come next July.    They are trying to make the playoffs this year.   They will not be trading Machado or Britton before the season starts.

What do you consider hopelessly out of it?  Does 2.6% chance going into the weekend before the trade deadline count?

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