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You snooze you lose - Doug Fister


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The Rangers just signed Fister for just 4m guaranteed and it includes a reasonable team option.

Now Fister isn’t the most exciting rotation option but at that price you can’t tell me he wouldn’t be worthwhile for a team that needs to find three starters and whose in-house options (Ynoa, Long, Hess) are probably best suited for a bullpen role.

edit: here is the link https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2017/11/rangers-to-sign-doug-fister.html

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Agreed. At that price he would have been an excellent option. 

And to your point (Corn), there was no talk that we were even interested in him. That's the problem, not whether or not he would have signed with us. 

Then again, I'm guessing Duquette doesn't work over holiday weekends. 

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5 minutes ago, wildbillhiccup said:

Agreed. At that price he would have been an excellent option. 

And to your point (Corn), there was no talk that we were even interested in him. That's the problem, not whether or not he would have signed with us. 

Then again, I'm guessing Duquette doesn't work over holiday weekends. 

I think that most of the stuff that leaks is meant to leak.

I have no idea if they were interested in Fister but a lack of talk doesn't mean much.

 

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53 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

Of course we have no evidence that Fister would have signed a comparable deal with the O's.

Sure, Andrew Miller took $36MM/4 instead of $40MM. We can/will never know for sure if a player would sign with any club in particular, even if for much more money. But it is rare. For Doug Fister, would $5MM plus a team option not have moved the needle? How about $6MM, with a $9MM team option? The Orioles are so, so desperate for starting pitching that low investment, short-term contracts must be pursued to garner two or three rotation possibles out of the four, five or six needed. At that small of an investment, Fister looks like more of a probable, than just a possibly good, SP investment.

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Dave Cameron had projected $9 mm for Fister, while the fangraphs crowdsource had projected $8 mm.    I’m a bit shocked he’d sign for a $4 mm guarantee this early in the offseason, rather than waiting for the market to develop.    But maybe there are incentives in this deal that haven’t been reported and are pretty attainable.   

https://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/the-2018-free-agent-bargains/

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2 hours ago, wildbillhiccup said:

Agreed. At that price he would have been an excellent option. 

And to your point (Corn), there was no talk that we were even interested in him. That's the problem, not whether or not he would have signed with us. 

Then again, I'm guessing Duquette doesn't work over holiday weekends. 

Dan is more concerned looking for filler for Norfolk or Bowie right now.

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37 minutes ago, NCRaven said:

Maybe Duquette is targeting other pitchers.  Better pitchers.  I'm not the least bit bothered that we didn't sign Doug Fister.

Here’s the thing: who are they targeting? And I’m not talking about the regurgitated “interest” stories. Do you really think they’re looking at Cobb or Lynn? It doesn’t really make sense if they’re looking at a rebuild or a massive restock next season.

Fister is mediocre at best, but him or anyone on a reasonable one year deal makes sense for the Orioles. He was better than both Tillman and Jimenez last year. I know Tillman has a better track record but I’m not paying him $10 mil after he fell off a cliff. Maybe Gonzalez. 

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44 minutes ago, NCRaven said:

Maybe Duquette is targeting other pitchers.  Better pitchers.  I'm not the least bit bothered that we didn't sign Doug Fister.

When has Duquette ever targeted better pitchers? He's always waited until the last possible moment and then signed guys like Ubaldo and a guy with his arm hanging off (Gallardo).

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3 hours ago, wildbillhiccup said:

Agreed. At that price he would have been an excellent option. 

And to your point (Corn), there was no talk that we were even interested in him. That's the problem, not whether or not he would have signed with us. 

Then again, I'm guessing Duquette doesn't work over holiday weekends. 

That's a problem with DD I have. Of course there is no way of knowing he didn't talk with Fisters agent. But good golly he should have if he didn't. Since the team needs pitchers. IMO 

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1 hour ago, mdbdotcom said:

29 teams failed to make this deal.

Thanks, Duquette.

I’m not anti DD, I think I’ve been clear about that.

29 teams didn’t have 3 open spots in their rotation and limited funds and the stated desire to compete.  

There may be one or two other teams that fit that criteria.

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