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Early 2018 predictions/expectations


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24 minutes ago, Redskins Rick said:

Horse Hockey.

 

Britton is not a failure

Matsuz was not a failure

Bundy is not a failure

Gausman is not a failure

Too soon to tell about Harvey

Hobgood was a failure

Adam Loewen could be consider a failure

 

Matusz was a disappointment for his draft position, but not a bust or a failure.  

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2 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

Time To The Plate.

Remember, they wanted Matusz to get the ball to the plate faster, he pulled his oblique with the new mechanics and was never the same.

Since I think Buck worries way too much about it I choose to blame that.

Is Buck the only manager in the MLB that worries about runners taking advantage and running to 2nd, like a slow pitch softball game?

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10 minutes ago, Redskins Rick said:

How about, just being a 2 pitch pitcher? :)

Matusz was considered a 4 pitch pitcher (5 if you count his two seam fastball) when drafted.

This is from a 2009 MLB scouting report.

Scouting report: He's a lefty with stuff and command. He can get his fastball up to 94 mph and has two outstanding breaking pitches, a curve and slider. His changeup is an above-average offering, as well. He throws strikes and keeps it down in the zone. Matusz is a terrific competitor and has plus mound presence.

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2 minutes ago, Redskins Rick said:

Is Buck the only manager in the MLB that worries about runners taking advantage and running to 2nd, like a slow pitch softball game?

I've not heard of any other managers that care to the degree Buck does.

I'm sure none of them want the other team taking extra bases at will.

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1 minute ago, phillyOs119 said:

Matusz was considered a 4 pitch pitcher (5 if you count his two seam fastball) when drafted.

This is from a 2009 MLB scouting report.

Scouting report: He's a lefty with stuff and command. He can get his fastball up to 94 mph and has two outstanding breaking pitches, a curve and slider. His changeup is an above-average offering, as well. He throws strikes and keeps it down in the zone. Matusz is a terrific competitor and has plus mound presence.

Thanks, but for some reason, he seamed like he became a 2 pitch pitcher and came third time through the lineup they figured him, and then he got to where he became a lefty specialist.

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1 minute ago, Aristotelian said:

The funny thing is he has zero concern about stealing bases on the offense side. I don't get his logic.

You have to look at his talent, the guys with speed, typically have the green light.

The Roberts, Manny, etc.

The team is more built for the 3 run homer, instead of small ball.

worse thing you can do, is to run into an out at 2nd and stop your inning from continuing.

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56 minutes ago, Redskins Rick said:

Horse Hockey.

 

Britton is not a failure

Matsuz was not a failure

Bundy is not a failure

Gausman is not a failure

Too soon to tell about Harvey

Hobgood was a failure

Adam Loewen could be consider a failure

 

Without disagreeing that most of these guys are not failures, it would be nice to actually have a guy who was a clear “success” who we drafted, developed and reaped the benefit of.   Looking at the top WAR active pitchers, you have to go all the way to no. 28 to find a guy we drafted, and of course, that’s Jake Arrieta.   After Jake the next guy the Orioles developed (though we didn’t draft him) is Chris Tillman, no. 77 on the list.     I still have hopes for Gausman and Bundy, but I don’t consider either of them a true success at this point.    I’m hoping they’ll both make a step forward in 2018.

I suppose you could consider Britton a success as a closer, but I’m really talking about starting pitchers.    

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Just now, Frobby said:

Without disagreeing that most of these guys are not failures, it would be nice to actually have a guy who was a clear “success” who we drafted, developed and reaped the benefit of.   Looking at the top WAR active pitchers, you have to go all the way to no. 28 to find a guy we drafted, and of course, that’s Jake Arrieta.   After Jake the next guy the Orioles developed (though we didn’t draft him) is Chris Tillman, no. 77 on the list.     I still have hopes for Gausman and Bundy, but I don’t consider either of them a true success at this point.    I’m hoping they’ll both make a step forward in 2018.

I suppose you could consider Britton a success as a closer, but I’m really talking about starting pitchers.    

without having to go back to Mussina. :)

MacDonald was another TOR when drafted, but dang college manager over used him too much.

Both are going way too far, we should have had more between them and now.

I think Bundy is something special and will turn out that way.

Gausman has hopes, but, started to fade a bit.

I am looking forward to seeing Harvey pitch this season in the MIL.

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5 hours ago, Frobby said:

Without disagreeing that most of these guys are not failures, it would be nice to actually have a guy who was a clear “success” who we drafted, developed and reaped the benefit of.   Looking at the top WAR active pitchers, you have to go all the way to no. 28 to find a guy we drafted, and of course, that’s Jake Arrieta.   After Jake the next guy the Orioles developed (though we didn’t draft him) is Chris Tillman, no. 77 on the list.     I still have hopes for Gausman and Bundy, but I don’t consider either of them a true success at this point.    I’m hoping they’ll both make a step forward in 2018.

I suppose you could consider Britton a success as a closer, but I’m really talking about starting pitchers.    

I blame a lot of the failure on the development staff in our organization. In the case of Matusz he got to the majors and you constantly heard about his delivery being messed with. 

The Orioles have been putrid in developing players since the late 1980s. 

Sure they got lucky every now and then ...but they haven't produced a TOR.... and Davis, Jones, Tillman etc came via trade

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