Matthew Edward Harvey - The Real Deal or Damaged Goods?

[wildbillhiccup]

I know he's been discussed in other threads, but at this point why not trade a reliever for Harvey and gamble on him bouncing back? For context he's arbitration eligible in 2018 and a UFA in 2019. Thoughts? Would you give up Brach for him? or even Britton? I know he has a very low floor (and high ceiling), but I feel like these are the types of players the Orioles need to take some chances on. 

Also...the Mets could really use a 3B and have a very nice young SS prospect. Just sayin'...

 

Sources are noted below. 

 

Matt Harvey - S - Mets

According to Jon Heyman of FanRag Sports, the Orioles are seen as one team that could consider a trade for Mets right-hander Matt Harvey.

We know that the Mets have already discussed a potential trade for Harvey with at least two clubs. The Orioles hope to add multiple starters this offseason and could aim to buy-low on Harvey. The 28-year-old is coming off a brutal 6.70 ERA in 92 2/3 innings this past season and has one more year of team control remaining.

Related: Orioles

 

Source: Jon Heyman on Twitter

Dec 11 - 8:43 AM

 

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Matt Harvey - S - Mets

Kristie Ackert of the New York Daily News reports that the Mets have discussed Matt Harvey with at least two teams this offseason.

According to Ackert, the Mets were attempting to flip him for a reliever and were much more inclined to move Harvey than Robert Gsellman or Seth Lugo. Harvey is entering his third and final year of arbitration and is coming off of a troublesome season where he posted a cringe-inducing 6.70 ERA in 92 2/3 innings.

 

 

Source: New York Post

Dec 10 - 11:17 PM

[Richmond Bird 9]

I would trade them O'Day.

 

[MDtransplant757]

5 minutes ago, Richmond Bird 9 said:

I would trade them O'Day.

 

O'Day hasn't been this bad. 

[Larry18]

I would kick the tires on Tyson Ross if I wanted to TOS rehab project.

[esmd]

Damaged goods, IMO.  Stay away.

[Aristotelian]

I am sure the problem is salary. The O's might do a C prospect for an experimental project, but they are not going to pay $6M for a guy with his numbers. 

To answer the question, he is damaged goods with upside.

For Brach or Britton, I want controlled MLB ready prospects.

[esmd]

IMO, Harvey=Tillman at this point.  I'd rather just re-sign Tillman if they're going to bet on a rebound performance.

[wildbillhiccup]

1 minute ago, Aristotelian said:

I am sure the problem is salary. The O's might do a C prospect for an experimental project, but they are not going to pay $6M for a guy with his numbers. 

To answer the question, he is damaged goods with upside.

For Brach or Britton, I want controlled MLB ready prospects.

Is there potential to expand the deal to make it worthwhile? Or maybe we hold out for someone like Gsellman?

[wildbillhiccup]

7 minutes ago, esmd said:

IMO, Harvey=Tillman at this point.  I'd rather just re-sign Tillman if they're going to bet on a rebound performance.

I think Harvey's ceiling is MUCH greater than Tillman. The floor's about the same. 

[mdbdotcom]

9 minutes ago, esmd said:

IMO, Harvey=Tillman at this point.  I'd rather just re-sign Tillman if they're going to bet on a rebound performance.

Harvey is Tillman with recreational lifestyle issues and bad clubhouse mojo. Might as well sign Josh Hamilton.

[Frobby]

Just now, wildbillhiccup said:

I think Harvey's ceiling is MUCH greater than Tillman. The floor's about the same. 

I don’t know about that.   We’re not talking about the pre-surgery Harvey here.    He doesn’t have the ceiling of returning to 2013/2015 form, IMO.    However, looking at his crazy HR/FB rate of 20.6% last year, it’s possible that he could be a decent back-end starter if that normalizes and he gets his walks down.  

[jtschrei]

In my opinion, this is exactly the type of risk the Orioles need to take. Obviously, the cost matters. What's it going to take to get Harvey? The guy has the potential to be lights out. You have Harvey, Gausman, Bundy, throw in Tillman and Gonzo. Hey, if things come together, you might have something with that rotation. Harvey has alot to play for. He should be highly motivated.  

We're not signing an ace -- Darvish. Like, that's not happening. Heck, Alex Cobb is out of our price range. DD has to take some risks if he wants "to go for it" this year.  

[oriole]

What kind of reliever would it take?  We're not trading Britton, Givens, Brach or Castro for Matt Harvey.  I don't think the Mets would do it for O'Day. Yacabonis or Asher maybe? That seems like way too little for a starter, no matter how bad of year he had last year. I truly think offering Ynoa back would just be insulting. Would Bleier be enough?

[TradeAngelos]

Couldn't be a worse fit in the history of baseball, especially off the field. Harvey is this NY celebrity type who loves the spotlight and everything that massive city has to offer. He would probably jump off the Bay Bridge after a month here. If it happens it will be a disaster, mark my words. Oh and he is a complete shell of himself on the mound. That too. 

[mdbdotcom]

Harvey's ERA last year was more than a run worse than Miley's and just a tenth of a run better than Ubaldo's. He also went back on the DL in June because his surgery hadn't healed altogether. And in May he was suspended by the team for 3 games for missing a game after partying until 4am and then playing a round of golf in the morning.

Don't trade for him unless you can throw Trumbo in the deal.