Orioles Talked To Marlins at Meetings About Dan Straily

[section18]

The Orioles discussed a possible trade for Dan Straily with the Marlins at the Winter Meetings. The right hander just turned 29 and had a 10-9 record and 4.26 ERA in 2017 and a 14-8 record with the Reds in 2016 and 3.76 ERA. 33 starts last year and 34 in 2016.  He's not a free agent until 2021. Low salary ($552,100) arb eligible in 2018. PERFECT!  Let's go front office. Make him starter number 3.  Two to go! Get him now.

[Diehard_O's_Fan]

What are the Marlins wanting in return? Are the conversations advancing?

[OriolesMagic83]

Would someone like Mullins or Stewart be good enough to headline a package?  Mullins + Scott?

[Luke-OH]

That was my #1 potential trade at the beginning of the offseason. I suggested taking on Prado’s salary instead of paying a significant prospect price. Prado would be a Flaherty upgrade, and a 3B stopgap possibility if Manny is traded or walks.  Prado’s contract is seriously underwater so it’ll reduce prospect cost significantly. To the point of being a 40/45 FV player. 

[OsFanSinceThe80s]

49 minutes ago, phillyOs119 said:

That was my #1 potential trade at the beginning of the offseason. I suggested taking on Prado’s salary instead of paying a significant prospect price. Prado would be a Flaherty upgrade, and a 3B stopgap possibility if Manny is traded or walks.  Prado’s contract is seriously underwater so it’ll reduce prospect cost significantly. To the point of being a 40/45 FV player. 

I suspect that the Marlins are going to demand that Prado be a part of the any package.   

[Legend_Of_Joey]

1 hour ago, RZNJ said:

Great idea!    First, I will say this.  The Orioles will never acquire a 2/28.5M player to be a utility guy.     I do think if they trade Machado, this trade makes a ton of sense for them and they might even consider it.    As recently as 2016, Prado was a 3.5 WAR player and he's always been a plus defensive 3B even last year.    To take Prado's contract to get Straily is basically the same or better than paying the Vargas/Cashner's of the world  12M a year for their services.    As we've seen, the Marlins would be very motivated to move Prado's salary.    I think, to sell the trade publicly, somewhat, they would still require a warm body  back but I don't think it would be a serious prospect of any kind.    It could be someone like Peluffo so the Marlins can make believe it's a trade and not just dumping a salary and putting in a good pitcher to do that.

Prado, if healthy, even at 34, should have some bounceback ability to being a 2 WAR player.    As bad as he was last year, he wasn't in minus territory.   At least part of his problems last year were due to a hamstring injury and a knee problem which he got surgery on.

Straily isn't great but he's certainly a lot better than the 3-5 guys we had last year.

This idea is so good, I wish I had come up with it.

If all they want back is a small group that is headlined by Peluffo, then that would be a simple no brainer. Take that deal 8 days a week, 366 (367 on leap year) days a year! 

The biggest risk would be, how does Prado bounce back? But for these two, it seems like a very good "low risk, high reward" trade.

[Luke-OH]

6 hours ago, RZNJ said:

Great idea!    First, I will say this.  The Orioles will never acquire a 2/28.5M player to be a utility guy.     I do think if they trade Machado, this trade makes a ton of sense for them and they might even consider it.    As recently as 2016, Prado was a 3.5 WAR player and he's always been a plus defensive 3B even last year.    To take Prado's contract to get Straily is basically the same or better than paying the Vargas/Cashner's of the world  12M a year for their services.    As we've seen, the Marlins would be very motivated to move Prado's salary.    I think, to sell the trade publicly, somewhat, they would still require a warm body  back but I don't think it would be a serious prospect of any kind.    It could be someone like Peluffo so the Marlins can make believe it's a trade and not just dumping a salary and putting in a good pitcher to do that.

Prado, if healthy, even at 34, should have some bounceback ability to being a 2 WAR player.    As bad as he was last year, he wasn't in minus territory.   At least part of his problems last year were due to a hamstring injury and a knee problem which he got surgery on.

Straily isn't great but he's certainly a lot better than the 3-5 guys we had last year.

This idea is so good, I wish I had come up with it.

When I posted it in a trade ideas thread, it didn't receive a very good response.  I'm curious if as the offseason wears on and it becomes obviously the Orioles aren't going to get any one-sided trades, if fair trades like this start looking more palatable.  I had said the Orioles would need to trade Rickard + Dietz or someone similar.  Rickard could be a cheap OF solution for Miami since they traded Ozuna and Stanton.  Rickard's slash hitting stroke would probably play better in a park that doesn't severely suppress doubles and triples.  I'd be fine adding a prospect to that return, but unless you value Prado as likely to return to some sort of relevance, it's pretty fair.

[mdbdotcom]

Prado suffered hamstring and knee injuries last season culminating in season-ending knee surgery in July after appearing in only 37 games. Can he even play? Absorbing his $13.5mm contract for 2018 might be fine, even if he couldn't get on the field, but he also has $15mm coming in 2019. The O's aren't going to take on $28.5mm over two years for a guy who can't play. Since he would have to be able to play, he'd have to pass an O's physical. Could he?

[Luke-OH]

24 minutes ago, mdbdotcom said:

Prado suffered hamstring and knee injuries last season culminating in season-ending knee surgery in July after appearing in only 37 games. Can he even play? Absorbing his $13.5mm contract for 2018 might be fine, even if he couldn't get on the field, but he also has $15mm coming in 2019. The O's aren't going to take on $28.5mm over two years for a guy who can't play. Since he would have to be able to play, he'd have to pass an O's physical. Could he?

That's why Straily would cost virtually nothing.  If Prado has no value over the next two seasons, then you have Straily for essentially a 3/51 deal which isn't good, but it's not horrible either.  

[El Gordo]

Good idea. A little too good for the Birds.

[Roll Tide]

On 12/24/2017 at 10:39 PM, section18 said:

The Orioles discussed a possible trade for Dan Straily with the Marlins at the Winter Meetings. The right hander just turned 29 and had a 10-9 record and 4.26 ERA in 2017 and a 14-8 record with the Reds in 2016 and 3.76 ERA. 33 starts last year and 34 in 2016.  He's not a free agent until 2021. Low salary ($552,100) arb eligible in 2018. PERFECT!  Let's go front office. Make him starter number 3.  Two to go! Get him now.

Apparently we are still discussing Straily

[Diehard_O's_Fan]

How do you know that Roll Tide? Are you an insider?

[Tx Oriole]

On 12/25/2017 at 9:53 AM, RZNJ said:

1. Why is Prado damaged goods if he's recovered from his injuries?

2. The prospects mentioned were Dietz by Philly and Peluffo by me. Peluffo didn't make the OH top 30. Dietz wasn't very high.  

3. You have a better idea for acquiring pitching?

 

Agree with you. The O's have to give to get. 

[Beef Supreme]

On Monday, December 25, 2017 at 12:48 AM, RZNJ said:

Great idea!    First, I will say this.  The Orioles will never acquire a 2/28.5M player to be a utility guy.     I do think if they trade Machado, this trade makes a ton of sense for them and they might even consider it.    As recently as 2016, Prado was a 3.5 WAR player and he's always been a plus defensive 3B even last year.    To take Prado's contract to get Straily is basically the same or better than paying the Vargas/Cashner's of the world  12M a year for their services.    As we've seen, the Marlins would be very motivated to move Prado's salary.    I think, to sell the trade publicly, somewhat, they would still require a warm body  back but I don't think it would be a serious prospect of any kind.    It could be someone like Peluffo so the Marlins can make believe it's a trade and not just dumping a salary and putting in a good pitcher to do that.

Prado, if healthy, even at 34, should have some bounceback ability to being a 2 WAR player.    As bad as he was last year, he wasn't in minus territory.   At least part of his problems last year were due to a hamstring injury and a knee problem which he got surgery on.

Straily isn't great but he's certainly a lot better than the 3-5 guys we had last year.

This idea is so good, I wish I had come up with it.

At 0.1 WAR for 2017, Prado spent last season on The Island of Misfit Toys with the rest of the players in minus territory, regardless of injury. I don't believe that Prado, a 34 year old coming off of knee surgery, can be counted on for 1.0 WAR, no less 2.0 WARs. I might put the odds at 3:1 that he fails to reach 1.0 WAR in 2018.

And I can't see Straily as "perfect!," as section18 called him, considering he allowed 31 homers in 2017 and 31 homers 2016. If I were in charge, I would never trade Machado for these two. Prado has nearly no value to me. Straily might allow 31 homers against the MFY alone. He might be better than Miley and Ubaldo (everyone is better than Tillman nowadays), but I wouldn't trade Bundy or Gausman for Straily. I'd just as soon play Machado until the deadline and see what happens. If Machado walks at the end of next season, I'd rather take my chances with whatever draft pick the team is awarded.

Meanwhile, I would trade for Straily if the Marlins are focused on trading him. But it would have to be a project like Cedric Mullins or Tanner Scott. Maybe Jomar Reyes. Now, none of us knows if the Marlins would take any of the players I mentioned nor if they would even consider trading Straily by himself without burdening the buyer with Prado and his contract. All I am saying is that I would not invest a lot of resources in Straily solo. And I wouldn't touch Prado with a 39-and-a-half-foot pole.

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Back to the Christmas Specials. Too sick to do anything else.

[backwardsk]

21 minutes ago, Beef Supreme said:

At 0.1 WAR for 2017, Prado spent last season on The Island of Misfit Toys with the rest of the players in minus territory, regardless of injury. I don't believe that Prado, a 34 year old coming off of knee surgery, can be counted on for 1.0 WAR, no less 2.0 WARs. I might put the odds at 3:1 that he fails to reach 1.0 WAR in 2018.

And I can't see Straily as "perfect!," as section18 called him, considering he allowed 31 homers in 2017 and 31 homers 2016. If I were in charge, I would never trade Machado for these two. Prado has nearly no value to me. Straily might allow 31 homers against the MFY alone. He might be better than Miley and Ubaldo (everyone is better than Tillman nowadays), but I wouldn't trade Bundy or Gausman for Straily. I'd just as soon play Machado until the deadline and see what happens. If Machado walks at the end of next season, I'd rather take my chances with whatever draft pick the team is awarded.

Meanwhile, I would trade for Straily if the Marlins are focused on trading him. But it would have to be a project like Cedric Mullins or Tanner Scott. Maybe Jomar Reyes. Now, none of us knows if the Marlins would take any of the players I mentioned nor if they would even consider trading Straily by himself without burdening the buyer with Prado and his contract. All I am saying is that I would not invest a lot of resources in Straily solo. And I wouldn't touch Prado with a 39-and-a-half-foot pole.

 

Back to the Christmas Specials. Too sick to do anything else.

What?  Nobody is talking about trading Machado for Straily and Prado.  Or Mullins or Scott or Reyes.  Miami wants to get rid of salary.  Nobody is lining up to take Prado.  Straily is the incentive to get Baltimore involved.  The return would be non prospects. A couple have been listed, but they are not top 25 guys.