Wieters credited with helping Nats Pitching

[Redskins Rick]

http://www.masnsports.com/byron-kerr/2017/12/wieters-guidance-helped-nats-pitching-staff-flourish-in-2017.html

I know some posters will agree with this, its one of his strengths.

I know other posters will flame away, fueled by their dislike of the man, and added fuel that he is a hated National.

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Catcher Matt Wieters’ influence on the success of the Nationals pitching staff cannot be underestimated.

 

[Babypowder]

They spent a little money on him and he put up a 62 wRC+, have to spin something positively.

[Redskins Rick]

1 minute ago, Babypowder said:

They spent a little money on him and he put up a 62 wRC+, have to spin something positively.

catcher's tools are not always well translated into metrics, unlike other positions. IMO

[Babypowder]

Just now, Redskins Rick said:

catcher's tools are not always well translated into metrics, unlike other positions. IMO

He would have to be an absolute wizard in every other facet of the game to make up for a bat that is 38 percent below league average.

[Redskins Rick]

1 minute ago, Babypowder said:

He would have to be an absolute wizard in every other facet of the game to make up for a bat that is 38 percent below league average.

So Wieters not being on the Orioles, had no impact in just about all of their pitchers having a drop in production, last season?

[Babypowder]

Just now, Redskins Rick said:

So Wieters not being on the Orioles, had no impact in just about all of their pitchers having a drop in production, last season?

Not sure where you're getting that I said that. It absolutely could have had an effect. It certainly didn't have enough effect to make a guy with a 62 wRC+ a good value at >10M.

[Can_of_corn]

7 minutes ago, Babypowder said:

He would have to be an absolute wizard in every other facet of the game to make up for a bat that is 38 percent below league average.

Or a four win framer.

[Frobby]

28 minutes ago, Redskins Rick said:

[From Nats’ MASN reporter Byron Kerr:]

”Catcher Matt Wieters’ infuence on the success of the Nationals’ pitching staff cannot be underestimated.”

Perhaps Mr. Kerr should think through the meaning of “cannot be underestimated.”   He basically just said that Wieters’ influence on the Nats’ staff was zero.  

[Frobby]

32 minutes ago, Babypowder said:

They spent a little money on him and he put up a 62 wRC+, have to spin something positively.

78-35 when he started, 19-30 when he didn’t.    3.61 ERA when Wieters caught, 4.47 when he didn’t.    Both those things could be coincidences, but they do give some evidence that he called games well.

[theocean]

7 minutes ago, Frobby said:

78-35 when he started, 19-30 when he didn’t.    3.61 ERA when Wieters caught, 4.47 when he didn’t.    Both those things could be coincidences, but they do give some evidence that he called games well.

Thanks for putting together those stats. I always thought that Wieters called a good game. I really doubt, however, that Wieters' presence in 2017 could have turned our awful pitching staff into something respectable. They were just that stinkin' bad.

[Aglets]

11 minutes ago, Frobby said:

78-35 when he started, 19-30 when he didn’t.    3.61 ERA when Wieters caught, 4.47 when he didn’t.    Both those things could be coincidences, but they do give some evidence that he called games well.

Yea I have a hard time thinking all of that is total coincidence.  Curious to see a similar analysis for the O's in 2016?

[ThomasTomasz]

43 minutes ago, Redskins Rick said:

So Wieters not being on the Orioles, had no impact in just about all of their pitchers having a drop in production, last season?

I think a combination of losing the starting catcher, pitching coach and bullpen coach had something to do with it.  Can't pin it all on one person, including the current guys in there. 

[Redskins Rick]

15 minutes ago, Frobby said:

78-35 when he started, 19-30 when he didn’t.    3.61 ERA when Wieters caught, 4.47 when he didn’t.    Both those things could be coincidences, but they do give some evidence that he called games well.

ty for the work!

[Redskins Rick]

2 minutes ago, ThomasTomasz said:

I think a combination of losing the starting catcher, pitching coach and bullpen coach had something to do with it.  Can't pin it all on one person, including the current guys in there. 

You can't.

But, there has been so much mud thrown on Wieters and some of it unfairly, that I do believe there has to have been some impact felt.

[theobird]

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I said that we downgraded pretty dramatically at Catcher before last season started. We most certainly did, and it no doubt had a very big impact on our entire pitching staff. Thats what Catchers do.