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We hear over and over about the wanting/needing to add a left-handed bat.  What is a left handed bat supposed to do?   Traditionally, a good lefty batter hits right handed pitching well.   Is that what the O's need?

In reality its does not matter from which side of the plate a batter swings.   What matters is who the batter can hit.  If a right-handed batter hits right handed pitching well, it's just as good a left-handed batter hitting right-handers well.  

So who hit right-handed pitching well for the O's last year?

Beckham  879 OPS

Mancini 860 OPS

Schoop 805 OPS

Jones 803 OPS

Davis 783 OPS

Which O's  hit righties well in 2016?

Trumbo 932 OPS

Machado 863 OPS

Davis 826 OPS

Jones 798 OPS

So what the O's really need more than another lefty is players that hit righties well in 2016 and 2017 to have a good year.   That  would cover 1B, 2B,  SS, 3B,  LF, CF and DH.  7 spots.  

That leaves Catcher  and Right field..  

Joseph has a 672 OPS,  But Catching defensive skills are much more important.  Sisco hit righties at AAA for a 778 OPS and a 348 OBP.    Wynns  hit righties at AA for a 796 OPS and a 377 OBP.    Buck will have some options there.

Right field?  Who hits righties well last year?

Hays  857 OPS at AA ( had a 1.218 OPS vs lefties)

Stewart  (lefty) 892 OPS at AA

Mullins  (switch-hitter) 863 OPS at AA

Santander (swtichhitter) 1.507 OPS at AA ( only 32 at bats)

Brugman (lefty) 732 OPS in the Majors  but with a 364 OBP

Looks like a lot of options there as well.

So is it necessary to add a left-handed hitter to the lineup or maybe spend that money on pitching?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

oriole Veteran All-Star

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Considering I don't believe the FO will spend a considerable amount on FA pitching and it's not my money...I would love to see Granderson or CarGo here next season. If it were one or the other (SP or LHH) then you go with SP every time, especially with this staff. But it's not happening. 

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If they want to add an experienced lefty bat to allow them to take it slow with their non-Hays OF prospects, that’d be ok. I’d make it a cheap 1 year type deal though, Stewart, Mullins, and Santander all hit RHP well. 

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Hays will probably be down for the 44 days Santander has to stay on the 25 man,. Then he comes up and Santander goes down unless he is putting up Ruthian numbers in the ML. Be nice to have some insurance in RF. I'd love to see them sign Granderson Good glove good numbers v RHP and great clubhouse guy.

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1 hour ago, wildcard said:

We hear over and over about the wanting/needing to add a left-handed bat.  What is a left handed bat supposed to do?   Traditionally, a good lefty batter hits right handed pitching well.   Is that what the O's need?

In reality its does not matter from which side of the plate a batter swings.   What matters is who the batter can hit.  If a right-handed batter hits right handed pitching well, it's just as good a left-handed batter hitting right-handers well.  

So who hits right-handed pitching well for the O's last year?

Beckham  879 OPS

Mancini 860 OPS

Schoop 805 OPS

Jones 803 OPS

Davis 783 OPS

Which O's  hit righties well in 2016?

Trumbo 932 OPS

Machado 863 OPS

Davis 826 OPS

Jones 798 OPS

So what the O's really need more than another lefty is players that hit righties well in 2016 and 2017 to have a good year.   That  would cover 1B, 2B,  SS, 3B,  LF, CF and DH.  7 spots.  

That leaves Catcher  and Right field..  

Joseph has a 672 OPS,  But Catching defensive skills are much more important.  Sisco hit righties at AAA for a 778 OPS and a 348 OBP.    Wynns  hit righties at AA for a 796 OPS and a 377 OBP.    Buck will have some options there.

Right field?  Who hits righties well last year?

Hays  857 OPS at AA ( had a 1.218 OPS vs lefties)

Stewart  (lefty) 892 OPS at AA

Mullins  (switch-hitter) 863 OPS at AA

Santander (swtichhitter) 1.507 OPS at AA ( only 32 at bats)

Brugman (lefty) 732 OPS in Majors  but with a 364 OPS

Looks like a lot of options there as well.

So is it necessary to add a left-handed hitter to the lineup or maybe spend that money on pitching?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Rather have pitching.

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1 hour ago, weams said:

Yes, Maybe two. I don't trust reverse splits to stay relevant season to season. 

Nor do I trust them when you need a big hit against a RHB specialist. That said, LH bat is way down on my list of needs after RH SP, LH SP, Britton replacement, and RF who can catch the ball. Anyway, who cares, we should be blowing the team up anyway.

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34 minutes ago, El Gordo said:

Hays will probably be down for the 44 days Santander has to stay on the 25 man,. Then he comes up and Santander goes down unless he is putting up Ruthian numbers in the ML. Be nice to have some insurance in RF. I'd love to see them sign Granderson Good glove good numbers v RHP and great clubhouse guy.

Is that what Hayes needs in order to avoid being a Super 2?

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For me its a matter of resource allocation.    A 3rd and a 4th SP could cost 13m a piece.  That is 26m.  If the O's have 40m  they would have 14m left.   I would rather that money be spent on pitching.   Maybe a hard throwing lefty reliever and another starter.

I think the O's have enough hitting to make the playoff.  What makes them a last place team is they don't have enough pitching.   Especially starting pitching.

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14 minutes ago, mdbdotcom said:

Does anyone still really believe that 2018 is a thing?

2018 is a possible playoff run until it isn't.  Depends on what happens the rest of the off season.

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9 hours ago, wildcard said:

2018 is a possible playoff run until it isn't.  Depends on what happens the rest of the off season.

No, it will depend on what happens during the season. Adding a few starting pitchers, a left-handed hitter and a veteran catcher won't mean a thing if Davis is still a rally killer.

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11 hours ago, wildcard said:

We hear over and over about the wanting/needing to add a left-handed bat.  What is a left handed bat supposed to do?   Traditionally, a good lefty batter hits right handed pitching well.   Is that what the O's need?

In reality its does not matter from which side of the plate a batter swings.   What matters is who the batter can hit.  If a right-handed batter hits right handed pitching well, it's just as good a left-handed batter hitting right-handers well.  

So who hit right-handed pitching well for the O's last year?

Beckham  879 OPS

Mancini 860 OPS

Schoop 805 OPS

Jones 803 OPS

Davis 783 OPS

Which O's  hit righties well in 2016?

Trumbo 932 OPS

Machado 863 OPS

Davis 826 OPS

Jones 798 OPS

So what the O's really need more than another lefty is players that hit righties well in 2016 and 2017 to have a good year.   That  would cover 1B, 2B,  SS, 3B,  LF, CF and DH.  7 spots.  

That leaves Catcher  and Right field..  

Joseph has a 672 OPS,  But Catching defensive skills are much more important.  Sisco hit righties at AAA for a 778 OPS and a 348 OBP.    Wynns  hit righties at AA for a 796 OPS and a 377 OBP.    Buck will have some options there.

Right field?  Who hits righties well last year?

Hays  857 OPS at AA ( had a 1.218 OPS vs lefties)

Stewart  (lefty) 892 OPS at AA

Mullins  (switch-hitter) 863 OPS at AA

Santander (swtichhitter) 1.507 OPS at AA ( only 32 at bats)

Brugman (lefty) 732 OPS in the Majors  but with a 364 OBP

Looks like a lot of options there as well.

So is it necessary to add a left-handed hitter to the lineup or maybe spend that money on pitching?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If getting a LH OF is a 2 in importance, getting at least two reliable starters is a 10.

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Just now, Frobby said:

If getting a LH OF is a 2 in importance, getting at least two reliable starters is a 10.

Agreed, and I'd argue that if you don't get two reliable starters, then the importance of a LH OF drops to near zero.

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5 minutes ago, phillyOs119 said:

Agreed, and I'd argue that if you don't get two reliable starters, then the importance of a LH OF drops to near zero.

I'd like two lefties and a right-hander for the rotation.

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