O's equivalent to the Gerrit Cole trade?

[ScGO's]

Joe Musgrove, Colin Moran, Michael Feliz, and Jason Martin for Gerrit Cole.

What would have been the closest thing to an O's match?

Musgrove - Hard for the O's to match an MLB ready starter at his age.  However, his ceiling isn't overly high at this point.  He's not MLB ready, but Wells? Maybe Castro if they like him as a SP? Ynoa is the closest thing to a young MLB ready starter we have, eh. Maybe the 1st round luster of Sedlock hasn't worn off yet.

Moran - If they are looking for pop in a bat first prospect, maybe Santander or Reyes, but again Moran is 24 and more polished.  I don't see his ceiling being all too high either.  I say Santander as he is closer to MLB ready, and it frees a spot for one of our new Rule V guys.

Feliz -Relief pitcher who racks up the K's, but isn't very valuable yet.  Maybe Yacabonis?

Jason Martin - Seems comparable to a Cedric Mullins although Martin isn't playing much CF.  Maybe Stewart?

 

So would something like a Sedlock, Ynoa, Santander, Mullins, and Yacabonis have beaten out Houston?  Too much for O's to give up?

If not, what sort of pitcher could we realistically get back for a package similar to the above?

[Il BuonO]

I don’t like giving up on Sedlock too soon and don’t like the trend of HRs with Cole. Other than that, I’m good with this package.

[weams]

3 minutes ago, ScGO's said:

Joe Musgrove, Colin Moran, Michael Feliz, and Jason Martin for Gerrit Cole.

What would have been the closest thing to an O's match?

Musgrove - Hard for the O's to match an MLB ready starter at his age.  However, his ceiling isn't overly high at this point.  He's not MLB ready, but Wells? Maybe Castro if they like him as a SP? Ynoa is the closest thing to a young MLB ready starter we have, eh. Maybe the 1st round luster of Sedlock hasn't worn off yet.

Moran - If they are looking for pop in a bat first prospect, maybe Santander or Reyes, but again Moran is 24 and more polished.  I don't see his ceiling being all too high either.  I say Santander as he is closer to MLB ready, and it frees a spot for one of our new Rule V guys.

Feliz -Relief pitcher who racks up the K's, but isn't very valuable yet.  Maybe Yacabonis?

Jason Martin - Seems comparable to a Cedric Mullins although Martin isn't playing much CF.  Maybe Stewart?

 

So would something like a Sedlock, Ynoa, Santander, Mullins, and Yacabonis have beaten out Houston?  Too much for O's to give up?

If not, what sort of pitcher could we realistically get back for a package similar to the above?

Musgrove? That's Hunter Harvey.

[weams]

Moran? I Guess Mountcastle. Feliz would be Scott, right?

[ScGO's]

I don't like giving up Harvey, but if you include him, what is a fair package?

[weams]

7 minutes ago, ScGO's said:

Joe Musgrove, Colin Moran, Michael Feliz, and Jason Martin for Gerrit Cole.

What would have been the closest thing to an O's match?

Musgrove - Hard for the O's to match an MLB ready starter at his age.  However, his ceiling isn't overly high at this point.  He's not MLB ready, but Wells? Maybe Castro if they like him as a SP? Ynoa is the closest thing to a young MLB ready starter we have, eh. Maybe the 1st round luster of Sedlock hasn't worn off yet.

Moran - If they are looking for pop in a bat first prospect, maybe Santander or Reyes, but again Moran is 24 and more polished.  I don't see his ceiling being all too high either.  I say Santander as he is closer to MLB ready, and it frees a spot for one of our new Rule V guys.

Feliz -Relief pitcher who racks up the K's, but isn't very valuable yet.  Maybe Yacabonis?

Jason Martin - Seems comparable to a Cedric Mullins although Martin isn't playing much CF.  Maybe Stewart?

 

So would something like a Sedlock, Ynoa, Santander, Mullins, and Yacabonis have beaten out Houston?  Too much for O's to give up?

If not, what sort of pitcher could we realistically get back for a package similar to the above?

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Sedlock, Ynoa, Santander, Mullins, and Yacabonis would get you a Cashner level guy. 

[weams]

2 minutes ago, ScGO's said:

I don't like giving up Harvey, but if you include him, what is a fair package?

• I guess the guys I said. And I don't see that working well for a short time pitcher. 

[Dark Helmet]

Harvey, Lee, Mullins, and Santander. I would have done that for Cole.

[Luke-OH]

12 minutes ago, ScGO's said:

Joe Musgrove, Colin Moran, Michael Feliz, and Jason Martin for Gerrit Cole.

What would have been the closest thing to an O's match?

Musgrove - Hard for the O's to match an MLB ready starter at his age.  However, his ceiling isn't overly high at this point.  He's not MLB ready, but Wells? Maybe Castro if they like him as a SP? Ynoa is the closest thing to a young MLB ready starter we have, eh. Maybe the 1st round luster of Sedlock hasn't worn off yet.

Moran - If they are looking for pop in a bat first prospect, maybe Santander or Reyes, but again Moran is 24 and more polished.  I don't see his ceiling being all too high either.  I say Santander as he is closer to MLB ready, and it frees a spot for one of our new Rule V guys.

Feliz -Relief pitcher who racks up the K's, but isn't very valuable yet.  Maybe Yacabonis?

Jason Martin - Seems comparable to a Cedric Mullins although Martin isn't playing much CF.  Maybe Stewart?

 

So would something like a Sedlock, Ynoa, Santander, Mullins, and Yacabonis have beaten out Houston?  Too much for O's to give up?

If not, what sort of pitcher could we realistically get back for a package similar to the above?

I'll take a go at it. 

Musgrove was a solid prospect, top 10 org guy in a strong system, but never a top 100 guy.  He's been OK as a reliever/swingman.

Colin Moran was a borderline top 100 guy, then fell off the map, and then had a strong 2017 in AAA.

Feliz, top ten guy in the system, don't think he was a top 100 guy, maybe backend.  Has been a reliever with good peripherals, bad results.

Jason Martin, fringe prospect.

So it's hard to line it up with all the players being similar, but here goes.

Mancini (more valuable than Moran).

Keegan Akin  - (less valuable than Musgrove)

Miguel Castro - similar to Feliz 

Ademar Rifaela - similar to Martin

 

[Luke-OH]

20 minutes ago, Dark Helmet said:

Harvey, Lee, Mullins, and Santander. I would have done that for Cole.

I don't know how other teams value Harvey, but I wouldn't be surprised if he is completely off limits.  I remember watching Bundy after his TJS, and man, the command was worse, the stuff was worse than pre-surgery.  Harvey looks amazing, he's getting to the same velocity and stuff with less effort already.  If he gets 80-100 healthy innings next year, I'd bet he's a top 25 prospect.

[weams]

23 minutes ago, Dark Helmet said:

Harvey, Lee, Mullins, and Santander. I would have done that for Cole.

No one is trading Cole for that. 

[Luke-OH]

Just now, weams said:

No one is trading Cole for that. 

Not saying the Pirates would do that (Lee is super fringe) but The Astros package was kind of poor.  Musgrove was the top piece and he might be a backend starter. Moran might be a regular 3B. Feliz is pretty much Miguel Castro.  Martin is Ademar Rifaela (COF, some pop, holes in the swing, rule 5 eligible but not selected). 

If I was the Pirates I'd want more upside from the top piece. I'd be hard for a team to take Harvey as a centerpiece because of the riskiness, but Harvey is a better prospect than Moran by a fair margin even considering the risk. 

[Dark Helmet]

50 minutes ago, Luke-OH said:

I don't know how other teams value Harvey, but I wouldn't be surprised if he is completely off limits.  I remember watching Bundy after his TJS, and man, the command was worse, the stuff was worse than pre-surgery.  Harvey looks amazing, he's getting to the same velocity and stuff with less effort already.  If he gets 80-100 healthy innings next year, I'd bet he's a top 25 prospect.

Good stuff. Thanks. I really hope Harvey does work out for the Orioles. If he can become at worst a 2 or 3 and Sedlock can become at east a 3 or 4, add that to Bundy and Gausman. Suddenly, the rotation looks alot better in 2 years. Health being the key.

[Roll Tide]

38 minutes ago, Luke-OH said:

I'll take a go at it. 

Musgrove was a solid prospect, top 10 org guy in a strong system, but never a top 100 guy.  He's been OK as a reliever/swingman.

Colin Moran was a borderline top 100 guy, then fell off the map, and then had a strong 2017 in AAA.

Feliz, top ten guy in the system, don't think he was a top 100 guy, maybe backend.  Has been a reliever with good peripherals, bad results.

Jason Martin, fringe prospect.

So it's hard to line it up with all the players being similar, but here goes.

Mancini (more valuable than Moran).

Keegan Akin  - (less valuable than Musgrove)

Miguel Castro - similar to Feliz 

Ademar Rifaela - similar to Martin

 

Moran was a 51-74 rated prospect depending on what service as far back as 2014. His main problem is he was blocked in Houston.

im betting he’s a solid MLB player and I think you’ve undervalued him 

[Luke-OH]

7 minutes ago, Roll Tide said:

Moran was a 51-74 rated prospect depending on what service as far back as 2014. His main problem is he was blocked in Houston.

im betting he’s a solid MLB player and I think you’ve undervalued him 

He very well could be, but he dropped out of the top 100 and then out of the Astros top ten, not because he was blocked but because he had a  <.700 OPS in the PCL in 2016.  He had a bounceback in 2017 but he was also 24 and repeating AAA.  He could flame out against major league pitching too.  I think his median outcome is a 45/50 type guy (1.5-2.0 WAR player). Mancini has already had a MLB season of that level, I think it's fair to say Mancini is clearly more valuable.