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    • Bemorewins
      Elias unwilling to spend money despite Rubenstein giving him the green light?

      By Bemorewins · Posted

      I’m fine with adding Castillo instead of Burnes as long as we are adding elsewhere.  We have to get better if we want to win a World Series. This division is going to be a bloodbath alone just to win it next year. We are going to need a stronger rotation and probably a stronger bullpen.
    • Aristotelian
      Elias unwilling to spend money despite Rubenstein giving him the green light?

      By Aristotelian · Posted

      You aren't understanding what I am saying. What if you could run the same 2025 payroll as with Burnes but without the long term contract? Castillo is making $24M, only $3M less than Fried (who I think we would all have been pretty ecstatic to sign). I am saying smart spending not low spending. No, it's not the NYY model but it's not the Tampa model either, that is how we got Eflin. It is funny, the same people giving Elias heat for being rigid will be happy with one strategy and one player only and consider anything else a failure. 
    • Bemorewins
      Elias unwilling to spend money despite Rubenstein giving him the green light?

      By Bemorewins · Posted

      If the owner wants to increase the revenues of the team so that he can operate from a surplus yearly, he is going to have to spend some money to generate more buzz/engagement/fanfare. The Rays model doesn’t work in terms of capturing a marketplace. Ask the Guardians or Brewers or A’s before them. What you end up with are some good but never great teams, no trophies, and no hall of fame players (because you won’t pay them). Though Ramirez from the Guardians may make it in one day. But my point is the budget ball/frugal model has a historical ceiling that leads to no fans and no rings. 
    • Bemorewins
      Elias unwilling to spend money despite Rubenstein giving him the green light?

      By Bemorewins · Posted

      He doesn’t need to operate in the red just use the massive amount of money that’s there. Also his main partner Arougheti and one of his other partners Bloomberg are incredibly wealthy. Bloomberg has WAY MORE wealth than Cohen to the tune of like FIFTY BILLION more! If they are planning to run this like the mom and pop operation of John Angelos, I ask why a person in his mid 70’s would make such a decision? It’s not like he needed more money. Plus he has been known historically to give away millions through philanthropic endeavors (that is Rubenstein and Bloomberg).
    • 24fps
      Elias unwilling to spend money despite Rubenstein giving him the green light?

      By 24fps · Posted

      It's an ownership group, not just Rubenstein.  The group is worth over $110 billion looked at individually.  Are you sure they fully paid for the team out of pocket? It's a new day in Birdland, but we really don't know what that looks like just yet.  Hopefully net profits will be considerably lower until at least one playoff game is won.
    • Aristotelian
      Elias unwilling to spend money despite Rubenstein giving him the green light?

      By Aristotelian · Posted

      So are you mad at Rubenstein or Elias? This thread is about Elias. If we have an unlimited amount of money, sure, we can afford some guys. I am operating under the assumption that we are trying to win over the long term as a mid market team. That is what Elias has promised all along and what I believe Rubenstein has bought into. I don't expect the owner to run the franchise at a deficit although that would be fantastic if it happens.  Either way, I like the idea of higher AAV guys on shorter contracts. Then you get the same talent level as a premium FA in their prime but without the commitment and downside risk. As long as we have the pipeline of prospects then you get guys like Burnes for their 29-30 years without having to buy their 36-37 years in advance. If we can get Castillo without giving up Mayo/Basallo I would be pretty happy without that outcome. We'd be giving up 0.6 WAR vs Burnes but maintaining flexibility for the future.
    • SemperFi
      Elias unwilling to spend money despite Rubenstein giving him the green light?

      By SemperFi · Posted

      Three points to add: -I believe those are Forbes numbers from ‘23 so last year’s OI should be much, much higher with attendance increases, TRP and other corporate income as well as the MLB fund growing about 10 points. CBT from Ohtani and friends is another $7-14m depending on eligible teams. -The other side is it’s not just DR’s money-he has partners that likely don’t want to operate that far in the red   

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