BA Orioles podcast

[Just Regular]

https://www.baseballamerica.com/minors/orioles-prospects-podcast-2018/#CAchiTBEhworgfKt.97

Got to listen to this, and was a little horrified to hear the report on Mountcastle's arm.  Before it, I imagined his athleticism would make him better than Mancini in LF once Trumbo departs and DH reopens, but now I'm not so sure.

The Tanner Scott stuff was really encouraging though.  I guess he too is in the Hunter Harvey bucket of two good months has him on the MLB radar, and even that might be an undersell - I could now see him making the team if he's good in spring.

[Luke-OH]

6 hours ago, OrioleDog said:

https://www.baseballamerica.com/minors/orioles-prospects-podcast-2018/#CAchiTBEhworgfKt.97

Got to listen to this, and was a little horrified to hear the report on Mountcastle's arm.  Before it, I imagined his athleticism would make him better than Mancini in LF once Trumbo departs and DH reopens, but now I'm not so sure.

The Tanner Scott stuff was really encouraging though.  I guess he too is in the Hunter Harvey bucket of two good months has him on the MLB radar, and even that might be an undersell - I could now see him making the team if he's good in spring.

Yeah, I listened to the podcast as well Tanner Scott on a good day looks like a first division closer already. Just some issues repeating the delivery and the question is he ever going to be reliable enough for a high leverage relief role.  If anyone hasn’t seen his AFL fall stars outing, I’d highly recommend it. He wasn’t even carrying his best FB that day. 

[Frobby]

On 1/27/2018 at 6:13 PM, Luke-OH said:

Yeah, I listened to the podcast as well Tanner Scott on a good day looks like a first division closer already. Just some issues repeating the delivery and the question is he ever going to be reliable enough for a high leverage relief role.  If anyone hasn’t seen his AFL fall stars outing, I’d highly recommend it. He wasn’t even carrying his best FB that day. 

Let’s say you have a closer who is dominant 2 games out of every 3, but in the third one is walking at least two batters an inning.    Are you going to trust that guy to be your closer?    I’m not, and I fear that’s what Scott is.    The fact that he looks amazing when you catch him on the right day is irrelevant to me.    The question is how does he look when everything’s not so great, and how often does that happen?

[jabba72]

14 hours ago, Frobby said:

Let’s say you have a closer who is dominant 2 games out of every 3, but in the third one is walking at least two batters an inning.    Are you going to trust that guy to be your closer?    I’m not, and I fear that’s what Scott is.    The fact that he looks amazing when you catch him on the right day is irrelevant to me.    The question is how does he look when everything’s not so great, and how often does that happen?

If Scott cant close consistently why not try to convert him as a starter. 

[Can_of_corn]

4 minutes ago, jabba72 said:

If Scott cant close consistently why not try to convert him as a starter. 

Because starting is harder.

 

[Legend_Of_Joey]

15 hours ago, Frobby said:

Let’s say you have a closer who is dominant 2 games out of every 3, but in the third one is walking at least two batters an inning.    Are you going to trust that guy to be your closer?    I’m not, and I fear that’s what Scott is.    The fact that he looks amazing when you catch him on the right day is irrelevant to me.    The question is how does he look when everything’s not so great, and how often does that happen?

This. 

They had Jesus Liranzo close for the first few games in Bowie. Know how that went?

He was put as a starter because he was extremely inconsistent.

There is a bright though Frobby: Scott seemed a lot more consistent this year than last. Maybe he is making some progress.

[Frobby]

5 hours ago, Legend_Of_Joey said:

This. 

They had Jesus Liranzo close for the first few games in Bowie. Know how that went?

He was put as a starter because he was extremely inconsistent.

There is a bright though Frobby: Scott seemed a lot more consistent this year than last. Maybe he is making some progress.

Oh, I’m very happy with the progress he made last year.    But he needs to continue making that kind of progress.

[Just Regular]

I don't think Scott has a starter's repertoire at all and imagine he's on the Chris Ray development plan.  Ray started almost exclusively his first two years in the system before closing in Bowie the first half of 2005, getting his feet wet in the second half, and graduating to the back of the pen in 2006.

A lot of the universes in which the Orioles surprise probably have Harvey and Scott becoming middle innings forces ala Hader Milwaukee 2017.

[Ruzious]

15 hours ago, jabba72 said:

If Scott cant close consistently why not try to convert him as a starter. 

If he starts, he needs to have command and control of at least 3 pitches.  When relieving, he needs 2 and can sometimes get away with just 1.  

[jabba72]

On 1/30/2018 at 11:10 AM, Ruzious said:

If he starts, he needs to have command and control of at least 3 pitches.  When relieving, he needs 2 and can sometimes get away with just 1.  

They should force him to use a changeup every 2nd or 3rd pitch then so he can develop his 3rd pitch. What he does in the minors is basically irrelevant anyway. Once he gains command of 2-3 pitches, the stats will be there.  

[Luke-OH]

13 minutes ago, jabba72 said:

They should force him to use a changeup every 2nd or 3rd pitch then so he can develop his 3rd pitch. What he does in the minors is basically irrelevant anyway. Once he gains command of 2-3 pitches, the stats will be there.  

I understand what you are saying but I’m not sure you realize how hard it is to successfully do what you are suggesting.  

[Legend_Of_Joey]

10 hours ago, jabba72 said:

They should force him to use a changeup every 2nd or 3rd pitch then so he can develop his 3rd pitch. What he does in the minors is basically irrelevant anyway. Once he gains command of 2-3 pitches, the stats will be there.  

That's not how any of this works...

[Tony-OH]

On 1/29/2018 at 5:27 AM, Frobby said:

Let’s say you have a closer who is dominant 2 games out of every 3, but in the third one is walking at least two batters an inning.    Are you going to trust that guy to be your closer?    I’m not, and I fear that’s what Scott is.    The fact that he looks amazing when you catch him on the right day is irrelevant to me.    The question is how does he look when everything’s not so great, and how often does that happen?

This is my concern with him as well which is partially why I'm not as high on him as some. You can look like the best pitcher on earth one day, but if your manager doesn't know who's he's getting, he's not going to risk putting him him in a high leverage situation.This is why I don't like the idea of starting him down in the minors. The idea should be at this point o use him in the role he's going to be in if he has a major league future. I see no way he can be a starter with his command and lack of consistent 3rd pitch issues (actually none of his pitches besides the velocity on his fastball is consistent).

If he's going to be reliever, he as to be able to pitch on consecutive days and how many pitches can he go to before his rest time increases? they need to find that out in my opinion. I would start him in Triple-A and tell the manager to use him like we Buck would use Givens, Brach and O'day. If he fails in that role, then they have to decide can he be a three-inning reliever used when the starter's go out early? This would allow him more rest between appearances which some pitchers need.

At least this is how I would develop him.

[MDtransplant757]

On 1/31/2018 at 2:01 PM, jabba72 said:

They should force him to use a changeup every 2nd or 3rd pitch then so he can develop his 3rd pitch. What he does in the minors is basically irrelevant anyway. Once he gains command of 2-3 pitches, the stats will be there.  

[Luke-OH]

2 hours ago, Tony-OH said:

This is my concern with him as well which is partially why I'm not as high on him as some. You can look like the best pitcher on earth one day, but if your manager doesn't know who's he's getting, he's not going to risk putting him him in a high leverage situation.This is why I don't like the idea of starting him down in the minors. The idea should be at this point o use him in the role he's going to be in if he has a major league future. I see no way he can be a starter with his command and lack of consistent 3rd pitch issues (actually none of his pitches besides the velocity on his fastball is consistent).

If he's going to be reliever, he as to be able to pitch on consecutive days and how many pitches can he go to before his rest time increases? they need to find that out in my opinion. I would start him in Triple-A and tell the manager to use him like we Buck would use Givens, Brach and O'day. If he fails in that role, then they have to decide can he be a three-inning reliever used when the starter's go out early? This would allow him more rest between appearances which some pitchers need.

At least this is how I would develop him.

I think the 3 inning outings in 2017 served their purpose in developing his slider. It is greatly improved from 2016 and even got better over the course of the season.

I completely agree that he needs to be used in situational relief the same way he’d get used in the majors. I don’t see the purpose of repeating the 3 inning strategy, I wouldn’t want him worrying about a third pitch, just trying to be consistent and throw strikes.