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Dan says no extension talks with Schoop or Gausman, reporters don't bother to ask why


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29 minutes ago, theocean said:

It takes two to tango. By your logic, the Red Sox are terribly run because they should have been talking to Mookie Betts about an extension before his trial. The Astros are poorly run because they signed George Springer to a two year deal and didn't push for a long term extension. Or, the Blue Jays are terribly run because they agreed to a record arbitration number for Donaldson but didn't discuss an extension for their MVP-caliber player: 

http://www.sportsnet.ca/baseball/mlb/josh-donaldson-says-blue-jays-yet-make-extension-offer/

At a certain point, as fans, we have to be realistic.

Sigh, yes obviously the player would also have to show interest.

 

Did that really need be said?

Btw the Red Sox, Astros and Blue Jays are all much larger markets.

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3 hours ago, Ripken said:

They don't ask because Dan can't answer anyway.  Dan can't answer because there is no plan.  It's just sad.

He can't answer because there are two possible responses:1)Schoops people weren't interested in talking or 2) PA wasn't interested in extending Schoop. He can't say either publicly. One he pisses off Schoop's agents.Two he pisses of PA.

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15 hours ago, Frobby said:

Would you actually expect Duquette to answer a “why” question?

See, this is the exact mindset of the reporters. No, I don't expect him to answer it, but guess what - IT DOESN'T MATTER!

You ask the question because it forces them to either answer it, or decide to not answer it and look bad, and because it's your job to ask the question. Plain and simple. Do the job. It's not about whether or not they have an answer. 

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Regarding Gausman, it's probably good they found some common ground.

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  • It’s often said that arbitration hearings can lead to some tension between players and teams, and it seems that’s just what has happened with righty Mike Foltynewicz and the Braves. As David O’Brien of the Atlanta Journal-Constitution writes, Foltynewicz left the hearing with some frustrations about how things were handled by the organization. The team ended up winning a case that was held over a spread of just $100K
 

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33 minutes ago, clapdiddy said:

What kind of extension would we be looking for with Gausman right now?

Would you think something like a 5/70 type of deal?    Is he worth that?

I proposed 5/$58.5 mm, with a team option making it 6/$72 mm if exercised here:

Those figures included $5.75 mm for this year, very close to the $5.6 mm plus incentives he received.

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14 minutes ago, Frobby said:

I proposed 5/$58.5 mm, with a team option making it 6/$72 mm if exercised here:

Those figures included $5.75 mm for this year, very close to the $5.6 mm plus incentives he received.

I must say, I like your approach better.   That would be great guaranteed money for a guy who, to this point, has been a slight disappointment.

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5 minutes ago, clapdiddy said:

I must say, I like your approach better.   That would be great guaranteed money for a guy who, to this point, has been a slight disappointment.

There’s definitely risk involved, but it’s not like we’ve got a surplus of starting pitchers, and if Gausman breaks through, this contract will look like pocket change.    

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1 hour ago, Frobby said:

I proposed 5/$58.5 mm, with a team option making it 6/$72 mm if exercised here:

Those figures included $5.75 mm for this year, very close to the $5.6 mm plus incentives he received.

5/$58.5M would be a great deal for the Orioles. I think he would want more for the two years he was bought out. 

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34 minutes ago, jabba72 said:

5/$58.5M would be a great deal for the Orioles. I think he would want more for the two years he was bought out. 

I wonder if the slow market this winter will cause more players to want to sign extensions rather than testing free agency.    I don’t think this winter has been much fun for many of the FA’s, no matter how it turns out in the end.     

In any event, to me Gausman hasn’t done enough to justify getting much more than I proposed, especially since the team takes the risk that he gets hurt between now and when he’d be a free agent.    

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1 hour ago, Frobby said:

I wonder if the slow market this winter will cause more players to want to sign extensions rather than testing free agency.    I don’t think this winter has been much fun for many of the FA’s, no matter how it turns out in the end.     

In any event, to me Gausman hasn’t done enough to justify getting much more than I proposed, especially since the team takes the risk that he gets hurt between now and when he’d be a free agent.    

I like the contract and think the O's would make a mistake not offering it, I just think Gausman being a SP with not terrible numbers and age on his side, is going to have an Arrieta slanted view of contract negotiations. 

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17 hours ago, Can_of_corn said:

Sigh, yes obviously the player would also have to show interest.

 

Did that really need be said?

Btw the Red Sox, Astros and Blue Jays are all much larger markets.

XXX to the Izzo. Much. And so much wealthier!

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20 hours ago, Ripken said:

They don't ask because Dan can't answer anyway.  Dan can't answer because there is no plan.  It's just sad.

So?   Ask anyway.   Expose the fact that there is no plan, if that is in fact true.   Isn't that what reporters are supposed to do?

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19 hours ago, theocean said:

It takes two to tango. By your logic, the Red Sox are terribly run because they should have been talking to Mookie Betts about an extension before his trial. The Astros are poorly run because they signed George Springer to a two year deal and didn't push for a long term extension. Or, the Blue Jays are terribly run because they agreed to a record arbitration number for Donaldson but didn't discuss an extension for their MVP-caliber player: 

http://www.sportsnet.ca/baseball/mlb/josh-donaldson-says-blue-jays-yet-make-extension-offer/

At a certain point, as fans, we have to be realistic.

If any of those teams repeated the same mistake many, many times, I would agree that they are poorly run.

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5 hours ago, weams said:

Regarding Gausman, it's probably good they found some common ground.

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That "tension" that exists between Folty and the Braves only matters if it amounts to more... he refuses to consider an extension, or pitches poorly because he's pissed off.

The existence of tension doesn't matter one bit if it doesn't manifest in a negative result.   Lots of people aren't crazy about their boss.   It's not the end of the world.

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