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Is it really that much of an upgrade to spend $16 million when the other two could've been had for minor league deals?  And no, I'm not advocating bringing the other two back, but when you have $40 million versus last year's payroll and you have quality arms still left out there, this move makes absolutely no sense.   

Cashner: 

K/9: 4.64
BB/9: 3.46
HR/9: .81
FIP: 4.61
xFIP: 5.30

Miley: 

K/9: 8.12
BB/9: 5.32
HR/9: 1.43
FIP: 5.27
xFIP: 4.66

Jimenez

K/9: 8.77
BB/9: 3.66
HR/9: 2.08
FIP: 5.54
xFIP: 4.52

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4 minutes ago, ThomasTomasz said:

Is it really that much of an upgrade to spend $16 million when the other two could've been had for minor league deals?  And no, I'm not advocating bringing the other two back, but when you have $40 million versus last year's payroll and you have quality arms still left out there, this move makes absolutely no sense.  

Cashner: 

K/9: 4.64
BB/9: 3.46
HR/9: .81
FIP: 4.61
xFIP: 5.30

Miley: 

K/9: 8.12
BB/9: 5.32
HR/9: 1.43
FIP: 5.27
xFIP: 4.66

Jimenez

K/9: 8.77
BB/9: 3.66
HR/9: 2.08
FIP: 5.54
xFIP: 4.52

Argument is too FIP-based. Cashner has better HR/9 and BB/9 but the argument that Miley and Jimenez are equal or better than Cashner is overly reliant on strikeouts effect on FIP and its kin.
Not a fan of the signing but other stats offset what you cited.

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9 minutes ago, Beef Supreme said:

I don't like the signing of Cashner but:
1. It didn't cost a draft pick.
2. It's only a 2-year commitment
3. It's a low AAV for a starter
and can anyone verify that the Orioles have full trade rights? If so, I dislike it less.

I can't verify, but that is my full understanding. 

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Not really a Cashner fan and everything about last season screams fluke but I like the structure of the deal. Not a lot of risk if he's awful.

Would also tell him DON'T CHANGE A DAMN THING FROM last year. Whatever he did, it worked. Of course you know Buck will try to drill time to the plate into him and we'll do whatever other tweaks we try to do on starters ..

Jaime Garcia only got 1/10 from Toronto. Would've been all over him at that price.

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Whether the team was going to contend or not, this rotation needed a veteran to eat some innings. I would sign one more and then let all the remaining candidates (Castro, Mesa, Cortes, Ynoa, Wright, etc.) duke it out for the #5 spot. 

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43 minutes ago, ChuckS said:

Any good reason we weren't in on Jaime Garcia (1/10 to the Blue Jays)?  Garcia has a better track record and is left handed.  

Jhoulys Chacin went for 2/15.5 to Milwaukee.  I like him better than Cashner as well. 

I just can't get too excited about a guy with a declining k rate and a year removed from putting up a 5.25 ERA in a pitchers park.  

Chacin would have cost us more.  NL teams get a discount on pitchers.  AL teams in hitters parks get a premium.  Brew Crew probably could have had Cashner on a one year deal or 2/12 or something.  

Garcia spent most of his career in the NL and got rocked in a brief stint as a Yankee last year.  Maybe DD doesn't think he can cut it in the AL??  Cashner at least showed he can hold his own -- with a little luck -- last year.  

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2 minutes ago, FanSince88 said:

Chacin would have cost us more.  NL teams get a discount on pitchers.  AL teams in hitters parks get a premium.  Brew Crew probably could have had Cashner on a one year deal or 2/12 or something.  

Garcia spent most of his career in the NL and got rocked in a brief stint as a Yankee last year.  Maybe DD doesn't think he can cut it in the AL??  Cashner at least showed he can hold his own -- with a little luck -- last year.  

Well, we're gonna find out if Garcia can cut it in the AL East anyway.   My opinion - I'm with you.  Cashner is AL-approved and Garcia is not yet.

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1 hour ago, ChuckS said:

Jhoulys Chacin went for 2/15.5 to Milwaukee.  I like him better than Cashner as well.

Chacin at home last year: 1.79 ERA

Chacin on the road last year: 6.53 ERA

Just need Cashner to come even remotely close to repeating whatever the hell he did last year.

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31 minutes ago, ThomasTomasz said:

Is it really that much of an upgrade to spend $16 million when the other two could've been had for minor league deals?  And no, I'm not advocating bringing the other two back, but when you have $40 million versus last year's payroll and you have quality arms still left out there, this move makes absolutely no sense.   

Cashner: 

K/9: 4.64
BB/9: 3.46
HR/9: .81
FIP: 4.61
xFIP: 5.30

Miley: 

K/9: 8.12
BB/9: 5.32
HR/9: 1.43
FIP: 5.27
xFIP: 4.66

Jimenez

K/9: 8.77
BB/9: 3.66
HR/9: 2.08
FIP: 5.54
xFIP: 4.52

 Cashner might not be an ace but he’s far from Miley and Ubaldo. We just need Cashner to give us 175IP at a sub 4.50 era and it will be worth it. 

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8 minutes ago, Beef Supreme said:

Argument is too FIP-based. Cashner has better HR/9 and BB/9 but the argument that Miley and Jimenez are equal or better than Cashner is overly reliant on strikeouts effect on FIP and its kin.
Not a fan of the signing but other stats offset what you cited.

There is no way we could have gone back to Ubaldo or Miley.    Even if Cashner does not turn out to do any better.   Hopefully, he’ll at least do significantly better than Ubaldo or Miley did last year.   If he does that, I really won’t care if Miley puts up better numbers in Milwaukee or Ubaldo wherever he is (if anywhere).

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