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4 minutes ago, TonySoprano said:

Maybe I missed all of the caterwauling and gnashing of teeth when Cobb was signed.  My recollection is of many people waiting anxiously for his signing.  If I'm wrong, please remind me

 

People were dancing in the streets.  

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1 hour ago, webbrick2010 said:

Its the defense.

We have an entire roster of DH's

It's just plain silly that any FO put together this roster.

Not a single plus defender on the roster and perhaps not a single plus defender in the entire organization.

Personally, I think Roch is more than plus.  As a defender, I think he is probably one of league best.  

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Cashner has been pretty good though...

The plan was for him to be a #4 starter. He looks like a credible #4 starter in the AL East to me.

He has a 4.39 ERA through 94.1 IP.

People were worried about him only striking out 4.6/9 IP last year. This year he has struck out 7.1/9 IP.

The more important question is can the Os  become competitive before Cobb/Cashner’s deals run out? If not, are we looking to trade them?

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1 minute ago, TommyPickles said:

Cashner has been pretty good though...

The plan was for him to be a #4 starter. He looks like a credible #4 starter in the AL East to me.

He has a 4.39 ERA through 94.1 IP.

People were worried about him only striking out 4.6/9 IP last year. This year he has struck out 7.1/9 IP.

The more important question is can the Os  become competitive before Cobb/Cashner’s deals run out? If not, are we looking to trade them?

Cobb has no value right now. Cashner is definitely trade-able, but I don't think much would come back for him. I think Wade Miley for Ariel Miranda is a good comparison.

O's probably value the innings he provides more than whatever fringe player they'd get for him.

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2 minutes ago, theocean said:

Cobb has no value right now. Cashner is definitely trade-able, but I don't think much would come back for him. I think Wade Miley for Ariel Miranda is a good comparison.

O's probably value the innings he provides more than whatever fringe player they'd get for him.

Corn on the cob has more trade value right now.  

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4 minutes ago, TommyPickles said:

Cashner has been pretty good though...

The plan was for him to be a #4 starter. He looks like a credible #4 starter in the AL East to me.

He has a 4.39 ERA through 94.1 IP.

People were worried about him only striking out 4.6/9 IP last year. This year he has struck out 7.1/9 IP.

The more important question is can the Os  become competitive before Cobb/Cashner’s deals run out? If not, are we looking to trade them?

Cashner's deal is only thru 2019, so the O's should definitely look to trade him.  They should hold onto Cobb for now, because I'm sure Cobb has negative value and the O's would have to pay 1/2 his salary and get a throwaway prospect.  Then in the offseason, the O's would have to sign someone to throw innings.  Probably pay a 5th starter type something like 2 years/$20 million.  The O's didn't save any money and have potentially even a worse starter than Cobb.  The best thing to do is hold onto Cobb and hope for a rebound.  If Cobb pitches to career averages next year he could have good value at the trade deadline.

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I have faith Cobb will turn it around in 2019. I think the O's did him a disservice by not letting him have an appropriate spring training after signing. I don't know how much it played into his performance this year, but it has to be a part.

Cashner I still like/liked as a low cost starter that could provide #4/#5 value.

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5 minutes ago, LookitsPuck said:

I have faith Cobb will turn it around in 2019. I think the O's did him a disservice by not letting him have an appropriate spring training after signing. I don't know how much it played into his performance this year, but it has to be a part.

Cashner I still like/liked as a low cost starter that could provide #4/#5 value.

How were they going to facilitate that?

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1 minute ago, Can_of_corn said:

I thought it was Cobb's decision not to pitch using the minor league balls?

He wanted to use them and the team wouldn't let him?

Felt more of like a 50/50 split. But hard to tell the dynamic. Not much was published behind the scenes aside from a few quotes and it's hard to ascertain if it was 100% Cobb or not. I'm guessing not entirely.

Other things....don't sign a pitcher that late especially if you know it's going to take 3-4 weeks before they can pitch in a meaningful major league game. 

It's largely why I'm writing this season off for Cobb.

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