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19 minutes ago, LookitsPuck said:

So here's what really disappoints me about all of this.

We traded Machado, Britton, Gausman, Schoop (and to a lesser extent O'Day and Brach) and we didn't net a single prospect that prior to the start of the season ranked inside any of those clubs' top 6. Am I forgetting? 

(Maybe my wording sucked: within the top 5?)

I hear you- and Know we had some great moments with each of those guys- but not really that surprising IMHO:

Machado- massive re-sign risk- even for LAD

Britton- coming back from injury, rental

Gausman/Schoop- perennially inconsistent

Brach- off year

O’Day- injured

Plus everybody knew we wanted to clear the decks wherever we could- especially with Davis (and seemingly Jones) stuck in cement...

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Just got back.  Whew - lot of prospect analysis.  Nothing new but I'll add to the slew of opinions:

  • Machado deal - good returns; I like Diaz a lot and Kremer looks like a sleeper
  • Britton deal - very good returns; I like Carroll and Tate a bit less but a top SP prospect nonetheless
  • Brach deal - all depends on how that international money is spent
  • Gasuman/Oday deal - worst of the lot; not much quality, O'Day obviously a salary dump, but dat INT money
  • Schoop deal - good returns; prospects look good, and didn't expect Villar

So I score it 3-1 in favor of DD with one TBD.  If the team gets VVM it's 4-1.

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3 minutes ago, Roll Tide said:

Sorry as I mentioned in my previous post, I missed all the action driving to the beach. 

All's forgiven.  I was tired of taking jabs to the ribs and roundhouses to the proboscus just for giving my opinions.  

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Villar is the most intriguing name of all the returns to me because he's been in the majors.  I would have targeted Shaw, but the Brewers just want to go ahead with a miserable IF defense I guess.

Here's the thing about Villar - he's 27, a FA after 2020, isn't costing much right now, and could end up a 2-win player this year.  He put up 4 wins in 2016.  He's a candidate to be extended. Whether or not he's worth it, I don't know - would like to see him in Camden Yards and revisit that topic in the off season.

Bear in mind the extension would only be for a couple years.  We wouldn't want him into his mid 30s.

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4 minutes ago, GoldGlove21 said:

As a Marine was 218 pounds and 5- 11" and not as muscular (or fat) as you might think. Body builds are a funny thing.

I think people should actually look up pictures of the guy before making proclamations about fatness.

He doesn't look muscular to me, but, as a professional athlete, I'd wager he's far more fit than the average person with his build. 

That said, I'd also wager that the stats page underestimates his weight by 10-20 pounds.

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3 minutes ago, Ruzious said:

All's forgiven.  I was tired of taking jabs to the ribs and roundhouses to the proboscus just for giving my opinions.  

No biggie ... If he rates 14 or anywhere close in Atlanta’s system he’s got the be higher in ours. I probably slot the two Milwaukee players in the same bucket

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3 minutes ago, 25 Nuggets said:

Villar is the most intriguing name of all the returns to me because he's been in the majors.  I would have targeted Shaw, but the Brewers just want to go ahead with a miserable IF defense I guess.

Here's the thing about Villar - he's 27, a FA after 2020, isn't costing much right now, and could end up a 2-win player this year.  He put up 4 wins in 2016.  He's a candidate to be extended. Whether or not he's worth it, I don't know - would like to see him in Camden Yards and revisit that topic in the off season.

Lol extend?  We’re in trade mode baby. 

August 18’ - Valencia, Cashner, Joseph

July 19’ - Bundy, Givens, Bleier, Villar, Trumbo

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Just now, Roll Tide said:

No biggie ... If he rates 14 or anywhere close in Atlanta’s system he’s got the be higher in ours. I probably slot the two Milwaukee players in the same bucket

I posted this on the minor league board already:

MLB Pipeline has been updated and has Ortiz at 7, Carmona at 14, Encarnacion at 15, and Cumberland at 30.

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3 minutes ago, 25 Nuggets said:

Villar is the most intriguing name of all the returns to me because he's been in the majors.  I would have targeted Shaw, but the Brewers just want to go ahead with a miserable IF defense I guess.

Here's the thing about Villar - he's 27, a FA after 2020, isn't costing much right now, and could end up a 2-win player this year.  He put up 4 wins in 2016.  He's a candidate to be extended. Whether or not he's worth it, I don't know - would like to see him in Camden Yards and revisit that topic in the off season.

Bear in mind the extension would only be for a couple years.

Is his defense that good?  It's got to make up for his poor offense:  71 OPS+ last season and 87 this season.  Does anyone have the scoop on why he declined so much after the 2016 season?

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9 minutes ago, Ruzious said:

Is his defense that good?  It's got to make up for his poor offense:  71 OPS+ last season and 87 this season.  Does anyone have the scoop on why he declined so much after the 2016 season?

Villar hurt his back and then got really impatient at the plate post 16’. See this article,

https://www.fangraphs.com/fantasy/jonathan-villar-a-tale-of-two-seasons/

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