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1 hour ago, MrOrange82 said:

I think people should actually look up pictures of the guy before making proclamations about fatness.

He doesn't look muscular to me, but, as a professional athlete, I'd wager he's far more fit than the average person with his build. 

That said, I'd also wager that the stats page underestimates his weight by 10-20 pounds.

Looks stocky like Bundy.  I think they both could use some time working out with Brady Anderson.

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1 hour ago, sportsfan8703 said:

Lol extend?  We’re in trade mode baby. 

August 18’ - Valencia, Cashner, Joseph

July 19’ - Bundy, Givens, Bleier, Villar, Trumbo

I don't think Cashner gets through waivers.  His contract is pretty reasonable and he's pitched well at times this year.  I also don't think anyone trades for Joseph.  Valencia and Gentry will go, IMO. 

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2 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

Bundy?

Anderson personally OK'd Bundy's workout regiment years ago.

 

Look at some pics of Bundy now versus last year.  He looks to me like he's put on some weight.

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18 minutes ago, Luke-OH said:

It's long, needs some work on the load portion, raw bat speed is there and looks like he gets good natural loft. He's quite raw but the tools are there, risk/reward guy. 

Yea that's what I figured.  Thanks.

How does he stack up with Kristian Robinson? Whom I know we both like.

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3 minutes ago, joelala said:

Yea that's what I figured.  Thanks.

How does he stack up with Kristian Robinson? Whom I know we both like.

Not the same ceiling, but higher floor. Robinson hasn't faced full season pitching with strong college pitchers yet, so there's the risk he doesn't hit a lick. JCE has put up an above average batting line in full season ball despite the less than ideal approach. Robinson is a better prospect, IMO, but not by a huge margin. 

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1 minute ago, Luke-OH said:

Not the same ceiling, but higher floor. Robinson hasn't faced full season pitching with strong college pitchers yet, so there's the risk he doesn't hit a lick. JCE has put up an above average batting line in full season ball despite the less than ideal approach. Robinson is a better prospect, IMO, but not by a huge margin. 

Awesome, thanks.

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16 minutes ago, Roll Tide said:

Then we are obviously not done. If we can move Valencia , Trumbo, and Beckham after the deadline. Then hopefully move Bundy , Joseph, and Cashner in the offseason and Cobb hopefully at next years deadline pitching well.

Givens, Bundy, and Cashner could be moved in the offseason/next deadline, but that's it for getting any return of note and even then it won't be much.  We all think Valencia will go in August but not for anything useful.  I don't see Trumbo, Joseph and Beckham as having any value to other teams at all.  You gotta have some mediocre vets, journeyman, Rule 5, and AAAA guys playing the games for a while anyway.  Cobb could bounce back and be tradeable but he's owed a lot of money.

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39 minutes ago, Luke-OH said:

Not the same ceiling, but higher floor. Robinson hasn't faced full season pitching with strong college pitchers yet, so there's the risk he doesn't hit a lick. JCE has put up an above average batting line in full season ball despite the less than ideal approach. Robinson is a better prospect, IMO, but not by a huge margin. 

What's your take on the full return on both deals? Didn't see it or hear your thoughts.

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3 minutes ago, ISU94 said:

What's your take on the full return on both deals? Didn't see it or hear your thoughts.

My full take doesn't exsist yet, I haven't studied the prospects in the deals enough yet.

General thoughts are thumbs up for the Schoop deal, I'm high on Ortiz, Carmona is the type of upside guy the team needs, and Villar is a cheap controllable piece of MLB filler who could have some upside. 

Thumbs down for the Gausman deal, I like the upside of JCE, postional need as well (although that's not my focus in deals, it's a bonus), Cumberland has varying opinions (Fangraphs thinks he's the O's 4th best prospect, pipeline thinks he's the 30th) but I think the truth is somewhere in between, I don't know anything about Phillips or Zimmerman yet so hence the incomplete nature of my opinion. The 2.5M international money puts them in the driver's seat to sign VVM and will sign him if he likes money. Moving O'Day clears 12M ish in salary, which is a significant piece in the deal as well (not a fun part, but perhaps a necessary one).

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2 minutes ago, Luke-OH said:

My full take doesn't exsist yet, I haven't studied the prospects in the deals enough yet.

General thoughts are thumbs up for the Schoop deal, I'm high on Ortiz, Carmona is the type of upside guy the team needs, and Villar is a cheap controllable piece of MLB filler who could have some upside. 

Thumbs down for the Gausman deal, I like the upside of JCE, postional need as well (although that's not my focus in deals, it's a bonus), Cumberland has varying opinions (Fangraphs thinks he's the O's 4th best prospect, pipeline thinks he's the 30th) but I think the truth is somewhere in between, I don't know anything about Phillips or Zimmerman yet so hence the incomplete nature of my opinion. The 2.5M international money puts them in the driver's seat to sign VVM and will sign him if he likes money. Moving O'Day clears 12M ish in salary, which is a significant piece in the deal as well (not a fun part, but perhaps a necessary one).

Gotcha. Thanks for the quick write-up.

Looking forward to your thoughts on Zimmerman. Looks like a guy who fell through the cracks, ATL scooped up, and they were reaping the benefits as he's showing this year so far (signed him for dirt cheap after they drafted him last year, stuff is a tick up this year from what he was, etc.).

Phillips looks like a solid RP for us down the road. 

At least that's my outlook on the two arms.

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