Orioles Spend 250k of their International Money ( Report that it was $750k)

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MLBTR Trolling

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9 minutes ago, Frobby said:

Every piece of that deal had a value.   It’s not all one thing.

As to Gausman being worth more than he’s getting paid, I ask “to whom?”     If you are 50 games out of first place, Gausman’s performance has no real value.   If you are fighting for a playoff spot, then it does.     I’d say the value of the players, salary relief and slots we received for Gausman were worth more to the Orioles than Gausman would have been worth to them under their circumstances, and less than what Gausman is worth to the Braves in their circumstances.

This is as good a post on this subject as I have seen. 

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It can also be said at this point that the Orioles got a better return for Zach Britton than if they had traded him at the deadline last season. However, they did have to spend money for that. 

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34 minutes ago, weams said:

https://www.ydr.com/story/sports/2018/08/28/philadelphia-phillies-acquire-slugger-jose-bautista-new-york-mets-mlb-trade/1123078002/

Did Philadelphia send slot money room to NY?

Would have been my guess all along but looks like they are going to let the dust settle before it is announced. They would have had the deal done yesterday if it was just over a dollar amount or ptbnl. 

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16 minutes ago, sevastras said:

Would have been my guess all along but looks like they are going to let the dust settle before it is announced. They would have had the deal done yesterday if it was just over a dollar amount or ptbnl. 

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The New York Mets have traded Jose Bautista to the Philadelphia Phillies for a player to be named later or cash considerations.

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51 minutes ago, Frobby said:

Every piece of that deal had a value.   It’s not all one thing.

As to Gausman being worth more than he’s getting paid, I ask “to whom?”     If you are 50 games out of first place, Gausman’s performance has no real value.   If you are fighting for a playoff spot, then it does.     I’d say the value of the players, salary relief and slots we received for Gausman were worth more to the Orioles than Gausman would have been worth to them under their circumstances, and less than what Gausman is worth to the Braves in their circumstances.

I disagree.  I'm far more likely to watch the O's play when they have someone of Gausman's level pitching than ANYONE they currently have on the roster.  And that's regardless of where the O's are in the standings - though the standings obviously do matter.  I doubt I'm the only fan who's watching behaviour is like that.  There is always value in quality.    

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8 minutes ago, Ruzious said:

I disagree.  I'm far more likely to watch the O's play when they have someone of Gausman's level pitching than ANYONE they currently have on the roster.  And that's regardless of where the O's are in the standings - though the standings obviously do matter.  I doubt I'm the only fan who's watching behaviour is like that.  There is always value in quality.    

Ok. You were right. I'm all about that Bass. I don't care about style points.

Win when you win. Lose when you lose.

Don't spend 14 years in the wilderness searching for that lost shaker of salt.

Have a plan. Stick to it. Spend no money. Wait. Wait. Wait. Now. 

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1 minute ago, weams said:

Ok. You were right. I'm all about that Bass. I don't care about style points.

Win when you win. Lose when you lose.

Don't spend 14 years in the wilderness searching for that lost shaker of salt.

Have a plan. Stick to it. Spend no money. Wait. Wait. Wait. Now. 

I know there's some Jimmy Buffet in there.  Other than that, it went over my head.  

Yes, don't spend a lot when you're re-building, but you still have to put out a team that's good enough for some people to pay to see.  You (well not just you, but yeah - mostly you) owe it to our fans and every other team.  

 

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1 minute ago, Ruzious said:

I know there's some Jimmy Buffet in there.  Other than that, it went over my head.  

Yes, don't spend a lot when you're re-building, but you still have to put out a team that's good enough for some people to pay to see.  You (well not just you, but yeah - mostly you) owe it to our fans and every other team.  

 

Make a good team. Play hard. Give opportunity. Build from within. But for heaven's sake don't spend any money. You are not going to make any in Baltimore until you win.

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4 minutes ago, Ruzious said:

I know there's some Jimmy Buffet in there.  Other than that, it went over my head.  

 

 

Don't hire Jay Payton. Don't buy a bullpen. Don't give the GM any leeway for MLB expenses. Build a very strict budget. Until you think you are there. 

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1 hour ago, Frobby said:

Every piece of that deal had a value.   It’s not all one thing.

As to Gausman being worth more than he’s getting paid, I ask “to whom?”     If you are 50 games out of first place, Gausman’s performance has no real value.   If you are fighting for a playoff spot, then it does.     I’d say the value of the players, salary relief and slots we received for Gausman were worth more to the Orioles than Gausman would have been worth to them under their circumstances, and less than what Gausman is worth to the Braves in their circumstances.

You missed the point completely.  Gausman was worth a lot to the O's because with 2+ years left he was a good trade chip.    Instead of getting a top 100 prospect in return either at the deadline or this off season, they turned him into a salary dump by packaging him with O'Day.   They got salary relief, a several suspects, an international trade slot money that they apparent don't need and can't spend.   They already had 5.75m in slot money.  

If the O's are rebuilding the hardest thing to accumulate in high value prospects.   They got none in the Gausman trade.  Gausman had value to the O's as a trade chip but they made a stupid trade instead.  

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59 minutes ago, weams said:

It can also be said at this point that the Orioles got a better return for Zach Britton than if they had traded him at the deadline last season. However, they did have to spend money for that. 

Worth every penny. 

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1 minute ago, weams said:

Don't hire Jay Payton. Don;'t buy a bullpen. Don't give the GM any leeway for MLB expenses. Build a very strict budget. Until you think you are there. 

Jay Payton was a 5th OFer type that wouldn't make the difference between a pork chop and a sardine sandwich.  Gausman is worth more than his salary and still has 2 more years of controllability.  There was no hurry to trade him, and unless they actually use that international slot "money", the O's blew that trade badly.  Gausman's salary was not a detriment to his trade value in any way.    

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1 minute ago, wildcard said:

You missed the point completely.  Gausman was worth a lot to the O's because with 2+ years left he was a good trade chip.    Instead of getting a top 100 prospect in return either at the deadline or this off season, they turned him into a salary dump by packaging him with O'Day.   They got salary relief, a several suspects, an international trade slot money that they apparent don't need and can't spend.   They already had 5.75m in slot money.  

If the O's are rebuilding the hardest thing to accumulate in high value prospects.   They got none in the Gausman trade.  Gausman had value to the O's as a trade chip but they made a stupid trade instead.  

I didn’t miss the point at all.    I understand your point that you want to trade a guy for the maximum value you can get, and sometimes you have to be patient to get that value.   I’m just addressing a different point — that a player’s value is not the same to all teams in all circumstances.    

As to whether we could have gotten more for Gausman by waiting, or how much more we might have gotten if O’Day wasn’t in the deal — we’ll never know.

Just to be clear, I wasn’t wild about this trade.    I just prefer to have a long look at the guys we got, and to see if the slot money becomes important or not.   This trade could look a lot different, for better or worse, a year from now.    

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2 minutes ago, Frobby said:

I didn’t miss the point at all.    I understand your point that you want to trade a guy for the maximum value you can get, and sometimes you have to be patient to get that value.   I’m just addressing a different point — that a player’s value is not the same to all teams in all circumstances.    

As to whether we could have gotten more for Gausman by waiting, or how much more we might have gotten if O’Day wasn’t in the deal — we’ll never know.

Just to be clear, I wasn’t wild about this trade.    I just prefer to have a long look at the guys we got, and to see if the slot money becomes important or not.   This trade could look a lot different, for better or worse, a year from now.    

It certainly looks worse now than it did two days ago.