Yusniel Diaz is very impressive

[Redskins Rick]

2 minutes ago, Bubble Buddy said:

Shoulder soreness never a good thing, but he and the braves are downplaying the severity. 

exactly.

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Gausman (shoulder) expects to be able to take his first turn through the rotation in the regular season, Kevin McAlpin of 680 The Fan Atlanta reports.

Gausman is about a week behind the rest of the Braves' starters due to shoulder soreness, but both the team and the pitcher himself have seemed relatively unconcerned about the issue.

 

[24fps]

1 minute ago, Bubble Buddy said:

Shoulder soreness never a good thing, but he and the braves are downplaying the severity. 

Standard playbook response.  Reflexive almost.

[Hank Scorpio]

I'd much rather be downplaying success in Spring Training than facepalming over the lack thereof.

[LookinUp]

2 hours ago, WalkWithElias said:

He was told to dump salary. He could've gotten a lot more in the deal had he not attached O'Day's contract. He accepted a few lottery tickets in exchange for Gausman to offload O'Days $9M in 2019 and whatever was left over the last 2 months last year. 

I do wonder what we might have gotten for Gausman if we hadn't attached O'Day. It was a pure money play. If there's a chance O'Day is healthy and good this year, we also lost out on a chance to flip him when he had value. 

With all of that said, clearing the books of an expensive and injured arm is probably what I would have done if I were owner too. Money is fungible and doesn't just disappear at the turn of the fiscal year. It can be put to better, less risky, use.

1 hour ago, interloper said:

I (mostly) agree with delaying Diaz, but I'm curious why it's any different than the potential impending uproar over Vlad Jr's assignment to the minors. It seems to be based strictly on talent level (ie: Diaz not as good as Vlad Jr.). Vlad Jr. would not help the Jays do a damn thing this year, but it seems to me people are decrying his likely assignment to the minors, mostly because it makes baseball less fun this year. 

I want to see Mullins and Stewart get extended looks first. Heck, Santander may even force his way onto the field. I also think Mancini has earned time, and we're currently stuck with Trumbo and Davis. That's 5/6 players for 5 positions (3 OF, 1B, DH). Until that clears up, I'm thinking Diaz waits. The same is true for Mountcastle and Hays.  It just so happens that they're the three near-ready guys who also have the most long term potential value, so holding them off in a losing year when we can gain another year of control is a total no brainer.

[Frobby]

2 hours ago, weams said:

Something is wrong with Gausman's shoulder. 

Not the first time.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.baltimoresun.com/sports/bal-orioles-place-righthander-kevin-gausman-on-15day-disabled-list-with-right-shoulder-tendinitis-20150508-story,amp.html

http://www.masnsports.com/school-of-roch/2016/03/kevin-gausman-receives-cortisone-injection-for-shoulder-tendinitis.html

[El Gordo]

Gee I could have sworn this was a Diaz thread?

[Redskins Rick]

7 minutes ago, Frobby said:

Not the first time.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.baltimoresun.com/sports/bal-orioles-place-righthander-kevin-gausman-on-15day-disabled-list-with-right-shoulder-tendinitis-20150508-story,amp.html

http://www.masnsports.com/school-of-roch/2016/03/kevin-gausman-receives-cortisone-injection-for-shoulder-tendinitis.html

Isnt this a common ailment among pitchers?

[Bubble Buddy]

1 hour ago, LookinUp said:

I do wonder what we might have gotten for Gausman if we hadn't attached O'Day. It was a pure money play. If there's a chance O'Day is healthy and good this year, we also lost out on a chance to flip him when he had value. 

With all of that said, clearing the books of an expensive and injured arm is probably what I would have done if I were owner too. Money is fungible and doesn't just disappear at the turn of the fiscal year. It can be put to better, less risky, use.

 

Was there signs that he was injured before this ST? Will be interesting to see if he's actually injured and how he produces. If he produces well for the Braves, it will hurt a bit more.

 

EDIT: Just saw Frobby's post. But again, shoulder soreness ain't great, but it isn't always doomsday. Pitching is rough on the shoulder. 

[El Gordo]

Off topic but I really like this Diaz kid.  Think he could make the team? Maybe I'll start a thread about him.

[NCRaven]

5 hours ago, DrungoHazewood said:

That sounds like one of those things that people just say, but almost can't be true.  Fred Ripken might have been way better than Cal when he was 8 and Cal was 5, but if you take the Fred was Better thing literally then you have to assume he was freaking Honus Wagner.  No, I'm not doing any such thing.

But Phil Robertson (Duck Dynasty) was a better quarterback than Terry Bradshaw!  I know it's true, I read it on the interweb.

[Moose Milligan]

Here's hoping Diaz is a stud.  I know they gotta play the service clock game but I hope he rips it up in the minors and forces Baltimore's hand to bring him up sooner rather than later.

[Diehard_O's_Fan]

I don't know why Diaz couldn't turn out to be as good as Adam Jones if not better.

[makoman]

35 minutes ago, Diehard_O's_Fan said:

I don't know why Diaz couldn't turn out to be as good as Adam Jones if not better.

Diaz played all last year at age 21. His total at AA at age 21 was 285/392/449/841 OPS, if you want to be a homer and exclude Bowie cause he was changing his mechanics or it's tough to change orgs or whatever he was 314/428/477/905 at Tulsa. He's been anywhere from the 30s-70s in the top 100 prospects in baseball. His wRC+ was 152 for Tulsa and 106 for Bowie.

In his age 21 season Adam Jones got to the majors for about 40 games (he also did at age 20 for a similar amount). His prospect rankings prior to that year seemed like 20s-40s. In AAA at age 20 his line was 287/345/484/829, and at age 21 it was 314/382/586/967. His wRC+ was 117 at age 20 in AAA, and 144 at 21 in AAA.

Already you can see they were different kinds of players. A lot more walks for Diaz, more power for Jones. Jones was better at higher levels. Jones' stats are PCL, generally higher, but wRC+ should account for league averages and park and stuff he did fine at AAA age 21, while Diaz also did a bit better at AA Tulsa at age 21.

What's all that mean? I have no idea. Jones was better at higher levels, but they were also different kinds of players. Two ifs: if Bowie was just an aberration and if Diaz develops power, that will be very nice. He has shown a good eye, so if he could approach Jones-like power that would be really exciting.

 

[Just Regular]

If 2110 Eutaw Street is a football field, I see Diaz at 1st and Goal on the Markakis side of the 50-yard line.

[OsFanSinceThe80s]

2 hours ago, Redskins Rick said:

Isnt this a common ailment among pitchers?

Well, isn't the action of throwing a baseball an unnatural motion for the arm to begin with?