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Game 2 lineup. What do you think?

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1 hour ago, theocean said:

The Commissioner shouldn't be worried about pace of play - he should be worried about teams rolling out an embarrassing lineup like this.

There need to be changes.  You cant put out a triple A team and call it an MLB team.  I think they really need a salary mininum of 100 million. 

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22 minutes ago, Roy Firestone said:

The lack of civility and respect here is stunning to me. I won't be around here if it continues.You folks don't need me.I don't need this either.Ill decide when/if I continue.

I enjoy your posts even when I dont agree with them.  But your post on this team are spot on.  The comissioner should step in. This is bad for baseball.  The Orioles ownership is leaching off the other teams.

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52 minutes ago, Aristotelian said:

Hey I get it, too. This season is going to be ugly. But part of the plan is retaining control of our best prospects. I would much rather have an extra year of Hays and Diaz than push them up early when they don't even have the best minor league resumes and the games are basically meaningless.

The team has responsibility to field a major league quality team.  If current ownership refuses to do that than the team should be taken from them. If they aren't playing prospects they should have signed free agents to short deals.

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9 minutes ago, atomic said:

The team has responsibility to field a major league quality team.  If current ownership refuses to do that than the team should be taken from them. If they aren't playing prospects they should have signed free agents to short deals.

So you want the league office mandating front office moves...?

That medicine seems far worse than the affliction.

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1 hour ago, Mayor McCheese said:

59 wins?!?!... That's some really high expectations this year......Maybe that was before Elias basically said all our prospects are going to be redeveloped and will be pushed through AAA again..... which means we are not going to see Hays, Diaz, etc. anytime soon. 

This is game #2... and we are already trolling the yanks right now with this garbage lineup. 

The Vegas over/under has been 58.5 or 59.5. With that in mind, 59 seems like the fence-sittingest of predictions (certainly not high expectations). 

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12 minutes ago, Mayor McCheese said:

This team will not touch 59/60 wins. 

Correct. This is a really really really bad team. I can’t believe how bad they are lol. But Elias is focused on the suck, good for him.

 

I bet his goal is to be historically bad first half until some prospects are recalled in the 2nd half. 

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52 minutes ago, Aristotelian said:

I hope you stick around. This season is bringing out the worst of everyone. I do hope the more clean it up, as I have had to put some people on ignore so that I am not tempted to engage.

I think we can work with each other's views. Each of us can express our frustration and we can all ignore or engage in a courteous manner. It's going to be a difficult journey and this won't become a place to attack one another. 

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32 minutes ago, Rene88 said:

Correct. This is a really really really bad team. I can’t believe how bad they are lol. But Elias is focused on the suck, good for him.

 

I bet his goal is to be historically bad first half until some prospects are recalled in the 2nd half. 

The so called Calvary will be coming.  Otherwise I see it ending like the Alamo.

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4 hours ago, Pickles said:

Good Lord that's bad.  To see it in black and white really brings it home.  That's seriously the level of a AAA team.

It’s always gonna look bad. Just have to hope some of them show some aptitude with the bat. 

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I know this isn't a game thread,  but this has been a very entertaining game to watch for this Orioles fan.   Those of you whining and complaining and not watching due to the lineup have missed a good one.   Aggressive on the bases,  timely hitting and some fine defensive plays.  Great Saturday afternoon fun. 

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