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22 minutes ago, Ohfan67 said:

Using your construction analysis: EVERY building has a cornerstone (every building made of stone, that is). You were proposing a definition of cornerstone player that would exclude all players on many winning teams (many winning teams do not have a hall of fame type player...maybe even the vast majority of most winning teams?). Is that a correct interpretation on my part?

The current O's team is certainly made out of straw.

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2 minutes ago, OsFanSinceThe80s said:

When you get to a half billion dollars, it’s not exactly the same as Andrew Miller trying to get the best contract possible. 

What is the cutoff?  Folks here seem to think Davis wouldn't accept an 80% buyout.  I'm guessing Trout could have made an easy 20% more (and perhaps fewer taxes) if he had tested arbitration/free agency.

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1 minute ago, Can_of_corn said:

What is the cutoff?  Folks here seem to think Davis wouldn't accept an 80% buyout.  I'm guessing Trout could have made an easy 20% more (and perhaps fewer taxes) if he had tested arbitration/free agency.

I think Davis would take it, but Boras might advise him otherwise.

We’ll likely never know, but I’m curious if the Orioles have put out any feelers on what dollar amount it would take for Davis to walk away. 

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50 minutes ago, Ohfan67 said:

Using your construction analysis: EVERY building has a cornerstone (every building made of stone, that is). You were proposing a definition of cornerstone player that would exclude all players on many winning teams (many winning teams do not have a hall of fame type player...maybe even the vast majority of most winning teams?). Is that a correct interpretation on my part?

I simply made a comment halfway in jest to an earlier comment made on this thread about what a "cornerstone" player might look like and mentioning that it was " a pretty high bar".  Now it has become a debate.... but I am not interested in playing  "gotcha" debates obsessing about the micro definitions of a term like "cornerstone".

Define "cornerstone" however you wish.  Make the metaphor however you want, that is ok too.   Players are great, super, outstanding, teams need a number of great players to win in any situation, yes, yes, nobody is saying that the 1/1 player has to be a Hall of Famer in order to be a great pick, etc. etc. 

I am done with the discussion.  

 

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1 hour ago, tntoriole said:

I simply made a comment halfway in jest to an earlier comment made on this thread about what a "cornerstone" player might look like and mentioning that it was " a pretty high bar".  Now it has become a debate.... but I am not interested in playing  "gotcha" debates obsessing about the micro definitions of a term like "cornerstone".

Define "cornerstone" however you wish.  Make the metaphor however you want, that is ok too.   Players are great, super, outstanding, teams need a number of great players to win in any situation, yes, yes, nobody is saying that the 1/1 player has to be a Hall of Famer in order to be a great pick, etc. etc. 

I am done with the discussion.  

 

I did not mean to sound aggressive or overly challenging. I was honestly just interested in hearing more explanation of your take. I wasn’t trying to play gotcha. I was enjoying thinking out loud about the idea of cornerstone player. I know there can be the somewhat petty back and forth even on Tony’s superior forum, but I didn’t mean it that way. 

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1 minute ago, Ohfan67 said:

I did not mean to sound aggressive or overly challenging. I was honestly just interested in hearing more explanation of your take. I wasn’t trying to play gotcha. I was enjoying thinking out loud about the idea of cornerstone player. I know there can be the somewhat petty back and forth even on Tony’s superior forum, but I didn’t mean it that way. 

Not a problem...likely an overreact on my part...Thanks! 

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On 5/25/2019 at 7:20 AM, Frobby said:

I mean, I know you are probably right.    But the guy doesn’t look like Sal Fasano.   He’s a big, strapping kid who looks like an athlete.    He looks dangerous in the batters box.  

Looking at both his MiL numbers and his Washington numbers, what really stands out is he’s been a .100 ISO guy, whereas in Baltimore he’s carrying a .233 ISO. Just looking at him, and watching his approach at the plate, I really have a hard time understanding why his ISO historically has been so low.    I mean, OK, .233 may not be sustainable, but .100?    Really? Maybe he’s figured something out in that department, because he sure looks like a guy capable of generating some power.    

Case in point: yesterday, with 3 bombs.   I’m kind of fascinated with this development.    His MiL high in homers was 9 in 326 PA.    He’s got 8 now in barely more than 100 PA.   But you look at the guy and it’s not surprising that he could hit some homers.   

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32 minutes ago, Frobby said:

Case in point: yesterday, with 3 bombs.   I’m kind of fascinated with this development.    His MiL high in homers was 9 in 326 PA.    He’s got 8 now in barely more than 100 PA.   But you look at the guy and it’s not surprising that he could hit some homers.   

That might have been the most unlikely three-homer game in MLB history.  Severino could be the new, new Bobby Estelella.  Except Estelalla hit in the minors...

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10 minutes ago, DrungoHazewood said:

That might have been the most unlikely three-homer game in MLB history.  Severino could be the new, new Bobby Estelella.  Except Estelalla hit in the minors...

I think when we look back on Severino’s career, several of the players mentioned in that article will be more unlikely than him.   Excellent article, by the way, though I didn’t agree with their choice for no. 1.    

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I think when we look back on Severino’s career, several of the players mentioned in that article will be more unlikely than him.   Excellent article, by the way, though I didn’t agree with their choice for no. 1.    

Agreed. Connors hit 25 or 30 homers all the time in the minors. But in his era you could get stuck. 

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