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I don't want to hear any more of it. If Trout at 27 has more WAR than Roberto Alomar in his entire career, then to me it's a joke, end of story.

https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/26887115/mike-trout-tracker-edition-now-better-three-more-hall-famers

By the way, according to nerd baseball, Alomar was an average defensive player at best (see story).

WAR should be called WART (WAR statistic for Trout). It should be applied only to him.

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If you want to appreciate how much of a joke WART is, in 2019 MLB so far Trout is

36th in batting avg
27th in RBI
22nd in HRs
11th in slugging

and 2nd in WAR.

 

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And yes he is first in OBP and 7th in OPS.

As for defense, he is trailing eight other CFs in defensive WAR. So nothing makes sense.

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4 minutes ago, Uli2001 said:

It would be nice to know why the OP was voted down and by whom. After all this is a discussion board.

It was me and because you used a pejorative.

I'm also the one that ranked this a one star thread.

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2 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

It was me and because you used a pejorative.

Maybe he meant nerd in the positive light.

Like. oh wow you guys are such nerds.........how can I be more like you?

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3 hours ago, Aglets said:

Maybe he meant nerd in the positive light.

Like. oh wow you guys are such nerds.........how can I be more like you?

Thanks, but no, actually I meant in the negative light. As in the "Roberto Alomar was an average defensive player according to our stats" light.

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4 hours ago, Uli2001 said:

I don't want to hear any more of it. If Trout at 27 has more WAR than Roberto Alomar in his entire career, then to me it's a joke, end of story.

https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/26887115/mike-trout-tracker-edition-now-better-three-more-hall-famers

By the way, according to nerd baseball, Alomar was an average defensive player at best (see story).

WAR should be called WART (WAR statistic for Trout). It should be applied only to him.

 

4 hours ago, Uli2001 said:

If you want to appreciate how much of a joke WART is, in 2019 MLB so far Trout is

36th in batting avg
27th in RBI
22nd in HRs
11th in slugging

and 2nd in WAR.

 

(please delete the previous incomplete post.)

There’s a lot of points in here so I’ll try to take a few of them.   

1.   I don’t think WAR is perfect.   In particular, none of the various advanced defensive metrics is perfect, and relying on one version increases the odds of overvaluing or undervaluing a player.    

2.   The fact that you initially cited Trout’s standing on BA, SLG and RBI suggests to me that you undervalue OBP.    The guy has a .463 OBP — that is ridiculous.   He’s on base nearly half the time he’s up - that’s huge.

3.   You also need to remember than Trout puts up his numbers in a pitcher-friendly ballpark.   

4.   Almost every other player who puts up offensive numbers in the same universe as Trout is a 1B, corner OF, or DH.    The fact that Trout does it as an above average CF further sets him apart.    There are better defensive CF’s around, but they aren’t in the same universe as a hitter.

5.    I’d be interested to know what players you’d put above Trout this year as overall players.

6.    Some years, there is a guy who has a year comparable to Trout, like Betts last year or Harper a few years back.     But Trout does it year in and year out like clockwork.

 

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