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19 minutes ago, DrungoHazewood said:

So you're saying that the team moved from somewhere around 25th or 28th in the rankings to 8th or 12th solely on the basis of players acquired in the last eight months?  That seems kind of unlikely.  Development of players already here, drafted or otherwise acquired in the Duquette era, have to be some of it.

Drungo, have you considered the fact that Dan was here when things went South......so he's bad?  And the moves he made were bad?

But now Elias is the one in the power seat, and our rankings have gone up.......so everything he has done must be good?

Sometimes it's just easier to view everything in the universe as black-and-white.   Nuance is hard.

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6 minutes ago, Aglets said:

Drungo, have you considered the fact that Dan was here when things went South......so he's bad?  And the moves he made were bad?

But now Elias is the one in the power seat, and our rankings have gone up.......so everything he has done must be good?

Sometimes it's just easier to view everything in the universe as black-and-white.   Nuance is hard.

The real x-factor is Peter Angelos not making the decisions.

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16 minutes ago, Aglets said:

Drungo, have you considered the fact that Dan was here when things went South......so he's bad?  And the moves he made were bad?

But now Elias is the one in the power seat, and our rankings have gone up.......so everything he has done must be good?

Sometimes it's just easier to view everything in the universe as black-and-white.   Nuance is hard.

I took a seminar on Capitol Hill a few years ago, and there was a pamphlet they handed out with the Senators' voting tendencies*.  Ted Cruz voted for bills supported by Barack Obama something like 44% of the time.  

Much of life and much of any job is just doing stuff that's obvious, non-controversial, that you need to do.  Every single MLB GM would agree with most of what every other GM does.

* US Senators, not Walter Johnson and Frank Howard.  But did you know that Walter Johnson was a Coolidge Republican, and unsuccessfully ran for Congress in 1940?

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14 minutes ago, Roll Tide said:

Nice to see the progress. For all the criticism that Duquette has received he certainly deserves some credit.

Rajsich deserves all that credit not DD. And he acquired all of that talent despite DD holding him back by forfeiting numerous high draft picks for short term FA fixes.

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4 hours ago, DrungoHazewood said:

So you're saying that the team moved from somewhere around 25th or 28th in the rankings to 8th or 12th solely on the basis of players acquired in the last eight months?  That seems kind of unlikely.  Development of players already here, drafted or otherwise acquired in the Duquette era, have to be some of it.

Oh I don’t deny that some Dan picks still have possibilities. Grenier doesn’t look like he should have been picked where he was certainly, Mountcastle doesn’t have a position, and Harvey has been injured his whole career, but there are some guys who still have potential.

The issue isn’t really whether Dan did or didn’t draft well (although I don’t think he did) but that he traded top prospects, gave up draft picks, traded away draft picks and made no attempt to plan for the future. Some of that was on the FO, but enough of it was on Dan.

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4 hours ago, DrungoHazewood said:

So you're saying that the team moved from somewhere around 25th or 28th in the rankings to 8th or 12th solely on the basis of players acquired in the last eight months?  That seems kind of unlikely.  Development of players already here, drafted or otherwise acquired in the Duquette era, have to be some of it.

Oh I don’t deny that some Dan picks still have possibilities. Grenier doesn’t look like he should have been picked where he was certainly, Mountcastle doesn’t have a position, and Harvey has been injured his whole career, but there are some guys who still have potential.

The issue isn’t really whether Dan did or didn’t draft well (although I don’t think he did) but that he traded top prospects, gave up draft picks, traded away draft picks and made no attempt to plan for the future. Some of that was on the FO, but enough of it was on Dan.

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Positive is, most of these prospects, save Mountcastle, probably won't graduate to the majors, add another group of highly drafted prospects next June, add in continued improvement by specs like Baumann, and you could easily see us move into the Top 3-5 in next July's farm rankings. 

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9 minutes ago, Camden_yardbird said:

A lot of midseason top 200s have the Orioles with 5 in the top 100 and Hall joining them in the top 200.

Adam Hall?

200/30= 6.7 top 200 players per team.    If all we have is 6, that’s not particularly impressive.   But 5 in the top 100 is.

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3 hours ago, Philip said:

Oh I don’t deny that some Dan picks still have possibilities. Grenier doesn’t look like he should have been picked where he was certainly, Mountcastle doesn’t have a position, and Harvey has been injured his whole career, but there are some guys who still have potential.

The issue isn’t really whether Dan did or didn’t draft well (although I don’t think he did) but that he traded top prospects, gave up draft picks, traded away draft picks and made no attempt to plan for the future. Some of that was on the FO, but enough of it was on Dan.

What top prospect did he trade away.?

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