Why did Davis go after Hyde? He was not happy.

[SteveA]

2 hours ago, atomic said:

I am just stating facts.  I prefer to judge the GM on what they do.  So far Elias hasn’t done anything to judge.  

Spent more on international players than we have in the last 9 or 10 years combined.

Brought new technology and teaching techniques into our minor league system with CLEAR improvement in results by our minor league pitchers.

Has us on a pace to win more games than last year (when we had a GM who was TRYING to win and actually thought he had a contender going into the season!), while spending very little.   He's doing it by using the waiver wire (6 or 7 pickups since he has taken over), Rule 5 draft, minor deals.   Our team is now the youngest in the majors.   He has shed payroll that is being used to improve our player development, scouting, and analytics.   

You clearly are intentionally ignoring all that so you can stick to your fiction that he has "done nothing".

[Can_of_corn]

4 minutes ago, SteveA said:

Spent more on international players than we have in the last 9 or 10 years combined.1

Brought new technology and teaching techniques into our minor league system with CLEAR improvement in results by our minor league pitchers.

Has us on a pace to win more games than last year (when we had a GM who was TRYING to win and actually thought he had a contender going into the season!), while spending very little.   He's doing it by using the waiver wire (6 or 7 pickups since he has taken over), Rule 5 draft, minor deals.   Our team is now the youngest in the majors.   He has shed payroll that is being used to improve our player development, scouting, and analytics.   

You clearly are intentionally ignoring all that so you can stick to your fiction that he has "done nothing".

Have we?  I haven't seen any figures recently.   BA only has a confirmed $1,275,000 spent for three players.  No numbers on the other 24 they signed.

If someone has an accurate accounting of what they have spent to date I'd like to see it.

[foxfield]

2 hours ago, atomic said:

I am just stating facts.  I prefer to judge the GM on what they do.  So far Elias hasn’t done anything to judge.  

So you're saying if someone has done nothing that makes sense and offered nothing to improve the environment....

 

And you're selectively stating facts...which of course makes your take completely baseless, but hey, your entitled to your opinion, even if it is...what did Tony-OH say the other day to someone else, you're entitled to your opinion even if it is ill informed and wrong.  

[weams]

https://www.mlb.com/news/pirates-statement-on-kyle-crick-health-status

[Slappy]

On 8/11/2019 at 2:54 PM, atomic said:

I am just stating facts.  I prefer to judge the GM on what they do.  So far Elias hasn’t done anything to judge.  

There's more to building an organization than just signing stop-gaps.

[LA2]

4 hours ago, weams said:

https://www.mlb.com/news/pirates-statement-on-kyle-crick-health-status

Crick is not a happy man. But in truth I'm always impressed that there aren't a lot more incidents like this every season.

[LA2]

Returning to the OP's Q: "Why did Davis go after Hyde?":

Dr. Jekyl went after Hyde because the latter was malevolent and destructive. Since, however, the monster was the product of ingesting his own concoction, vanquishing Hyde required that the formerly celebrated Jekyl depart as well, something that Davis is unwilling to do.

[drjohnnyfeva]

8 hours ago, LA2 said:

Crick is not a happy man. But in truth I'm always impressed that there aren't a lot more incidents like this every season.

No he's not.  What I'm stupefied by nowadays is all the odd coaching titles they have out there now.  The Pirates actually have a  "... director of cultural readiness and peak performance coach"  and that he, Hector Morales, was involved in one of the altercations.  It's almost comical.

[Redskins Rick]

On 8/11/2019 at 2:54 PM, atomic said:

I am just stating facts.  I prefer to judge the GM on what they do.  So far Elias hasn’t done anything to judge.  

This is a joke statement.

Are you trolling us?

No, sadly, you believe the BS, that you write.

So, there has been no trades, no signings, no coaches hired or let go?

Get a grip.

We expected a 3 year get well plan, because the team was so hosed up.

Your panties are twisted, because he didnt sign any high price veterans to play in the stop gap roles, while they got healthy.

This season, was not the year to waste money that way, at least most of us feel that way, and apparently so does the Org.

I suspect next ST, you might see a few signings.

And back to DD, which I was a fan.

You neglected to acknowledge, that Andy started the rebuild, and that DD was brought in for a total overhaul.

Just stating the facts.

 

[LA2]

2 hours ago, drjohnnyfeva said:

No he's not.  What I'm stupefied by nowadays is all the odd coaching titles they have out there now.  The Pirates actually have a  "... director of cultural readiness and peak performance coach"  and that he, Hector Morales, was involved in one of the altercations.  It's almost comical.

Must be part of the culture.

[atomic]

On 8/11/2019 at 5:39 PM, foxfield said:

So you're saying if someone has done nothing that makes sense and offered nothing to improve the environment....

 

And you're selectively stating facts...which of course makes your take completely baseless, but hey, your entitled to your opinion, even if it is...what did Tony-OH say the other day to someone else, you're entitled to your opinion even if it is ill informed and wrong.  

You are blindly supporting someone no matter what he does.  If you don't want to use facts for a basis of judging someone than what is the point of even posting?  Just go on say he is great no matter what he does or in this case doesn't do. 

[atomic]

3 hours ago, Redskins Rick said:

This is a joke statement.

Are you trolling us?

No, sadly, you believe the BS, that you write.

So, there has been no trades, no signings, no coaches hired or let go?

Get a grip.

We expected a 3 year get well plan, because the team was so hosed up.

Your panties are twisted, because he didnt sign any high price veterans to play in the stop gap roles, while they got healthy.

This season, was not the year to waste money that way, at least most of us feel that way, and apparently so does the Org.

I suspect next ST, you might see a few signings.

And back to DD, which I was a fan.

You neglected to acknowledge, that Andy started the rebuild, and that DD was brought in for a total overhaul.

Just stating the facts.

 

I am going on facts.  Yeah you don't want to hear facts and that amounts to trolling.  

First of your post about panties is misogynistic and offensive.  You are saying that I am acting like a woman and that makes my opinion less meaningful.  Really this is 2019 not 1919.  

I have never once said he should sign high dollar free agents.

He has only made one trade. Cashner for guys so young no one can really evaluate the trade.  

If there is a 3 year plan I would like to hear about it. If Elias say the team will be contending in 2022 let him  say that. And if the team  isn't contending by then he can be judged by that yardstick.  If the team is contending by then it will be mostly DD players and free agent signings that get us there.  I would expect the team to be improved next year if that is the case.  

The team didn't spend much on international players.  The team didn't sign anyone that helped the team from free agency.  We had Alberto and Severino help us from waiver claims.  

Hyde was hired because he was willing to take the job. He interviewed 5 or 6 other places this past off-season and was passed on all of them.  He said that the other interviews were either all day long or multi-days and some even included written tests.  

He said the interview with Elias was a couple of hours and he was hired pretty much on the spot. 

 

 

[luismatos4prez]

6 minutes ago, atomic said:

The team didn't spend much on international players.  The team didn't sign anyone that helped the team from free agency.  We had Alberto and Severino help us from waiver claims.  

Armstrong and Ruiz were good waiver claims, too. ML capable players at least.

I agree, he hasn't done much to help the ML team. But I like that he's cleaning house with minor league development, and you have to respect the time investment it takes to get the international groundwork done. Hopefully bringing those areas into the 21st century.

I would like to see a more competitive team take the field next year. No more Richie Martin, Chris Davis, and Wilkerson in the starting lineup. The payroll looks to be at around $63M next year if Villar gets tendered a contract. That's so low - no reason they can't make a minor investment in some ML talent that isn't blocking anyone (and could be traded). Jose Iglesias and a back of the rotation SP would do wonders.

[atomic]

15 minutes ago, luismatos4prez said:

Armstrong and Ruiz were good waiver claims, too. ML capable players at least.

I agree, he hasn't done much to help the ML team. But I like that he's cleaning house with minor league development, and you have to respect the time investment it takes to get the international groundwork done. Hopefully bringing those areas into the 21st century.

I would like to see a more competitive team take the field next year. No more Richie Martin, Chris Davis, and Wilkerson in the starting lineup. The payroll looks to be at around $63M next year if Villar gets tendered a contract. That's so low - no reason they can't make a minor investment in some ML talent that isn't blocking anyone (and could be traded). Jose Iglesias and a back of the rotation SP would do wonders.

Exactly.  I just expect Major League quality players on the roster.  I am not expecting a contender. I am not expecting them to sign anyone to major deals. 

 Wilkerson, Martin,  Smith , Peterson, and half our pitching staff are neither prospects or major league quality players.   

It is so surprising to me that people on here support Elias no matter what. Do they just want another year where our goal is to get the best draft pick possible?  As an Oriole fan am I expected to root for them to lose?  I mean as far as I can tell that is what they expect.

[Roll Tide]

27 minutes ago, atomic said:

I am going on facts.  Yeah you don't want to hear facts and that amounts to trolling.  

First of your post about panties is misogynistic and offensive.  You are saying that I am acting like a woman and that makes my opinion less meaningful.  Really this is 2019 not 1919.  

I have never once said he should sign high dollar free agents.

He has only made one trade. Cashner for guys so young no one can really evaluate the trade.  

If there is a 3 year plan I would like to hear about it. If Elias say the team will be contending in 2022 let him  say that. And if the team  isn't contending by then he can be judged by that yardstick.  If the team is contending by then it will be mostly DD players and free agent signings that get us there.  I would expect the team to be improved next year if that is the case.  

The team didn't spend much on international players.  The team didn't sign anyone that helped the team from free agency.  We had Alberto and Severino help us from waiver claims.  

Hyde was hired because he was willing to take the job. He interviewed 5 or 6 other places this past off-season and was passed on all of them.  He said that the other interviews were either all day long or multi-days and some even included written tests.  

He said the interview with Elias was a couple of hours and he was hired pretty much on the spot. 

 

 

I don’t understand why your post was NegRep’d. So I’m correcting it for you. I think your points are valid.