Meoli: Blood/Sig/Elias setting the culture prior to new coaching hires

[weams]

6 hours ago, MurphDogg said:

Fixed that for you. Climate has nothing to do with it. Sometimes people are just too dumb to have public facing jobs.

Or too drunk. 

[Luke-OH]

10 minutes ago, weams said:

Or too drunk. 

Maybe being drunk brought out that particular outburst, but the reporting is that this guy had a ongoing grudge against a reporter who was holding the team accountable for acquiring a domestic abuser. That's a guy I wouldn't want in an org, even if he remained sober at all times.

Let's forget about the acquiring of a domestic abuser for a minute, which I definitely do not condone.

Let's just look at this Taubman guy as a cold-blooded asset valuation specialist. Even from that perspective, he is a failure.

Here's why. He pushed to acquire a "distressed asset" as he put it. A player whose value was depressed by his off field actions. So the pitch is that you can get this guy for less than fair market value in baseball ability terms. That's true, whether you like it or not. But where Taubman failed was not expecting and being prepared to deal with the predictable blowback from acquiring such an asset. The guy thought that the move was being covered unfairly in the media, how ignorant do you have to be to not predict that outcome? The failure to predict and maturely handle the wide-ranging consequences of such an action is a huge red flag for me, people like that make dangerous decisions because they only see the benefit without seeing all the cost. 

[weams]

2 minutes ago, Luke-OH said:

Maybe being drunk brought out that particular outburst, but the reporting is that this guy had a ongoing grudge against a reporter who was holding the team accountable for acquiring a domestic abuser. That's a guy I wouldn't want in an org, even if he remained sober at all times.

Let's forget about the acquiring of a domestic abuser for a minute, which I definitely do not condone.

Let's just look at this Taubman guy as a cold-blooded asset valuation specialist. Even from that perspective, he is a failure.

Here's why. He pushed to acquire a "distressed asset" as he put it. A player whose value was depressed by his off field actions. So the pitch is that you can get this guy for less than fair market value in baseball ability terms. That's true, whether you like it or not. But where Taubman failed was not expecting and being prepared to deal with the predictable blowback from acquiring such an asset. The guy thought that the move was being covered unfairly in the media, how ignorant do you have to be to not predict that outcome? The failure to predict and maturely handle the wide-ranging consequences of such an action is a huge red flag for me, people like that make dangerous decisions because they only see the benefit without seeing all the cost. 

I agree with every word of this. 

[Luke-OH]

Just a general point which can be related to bad behavior in any field. I absolutely hate when people do something obviously morally dubious and then whine about the negative coverage they receive for it. Grow up, actions have consequences. 

[sportsfan8703]

22 hours ago, PaulFolk said:

This is gross. Don't be that guy.

I wasn’t trying to be that guy, but didn’t we hire the actual assistant GM that traded for Osuna, and multiple members of that FO?  

 

[DrungoHazewood]

9 hours ago, Luke-OH said:

Just a general point which can be related to bad behavior in any field. I absolutely hate when people do something obviously morally dubious and then whine about the negative coverage they receive for it. Grow up, actions have consequences. 

There's a point with any person in any job where your failure to act like a decent, responsible human overwhelms any good things you're doing.

[DrungoHazewood]

17 hours ago, Can_of_corn said:

Thirty years ago the story would have died.

Jimmy the Greek got fired in 1988.

[Can_of_corn]

5 minutes ago, DrungoHazewood said:

Jimmy the Greek got fired in 1988.

Jimmy did it on national television and sexual harassment wasn't the hot topic race relations were.

[DrungoHazewood]

20 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

Jimmy did it on national television and sexual harassment wasn't the hot topic race relations were.

When did Dave Kingman give the female reporter a rat as a present?  He kept his job even though he wasn't that good and a horrible person. But players have always been on a different set of standards.  Nobody was talking about Osuna losing his job.

[mdbdotcom]

After having a verbal dispute with a Padres fan in San Diego, Kevin Malone was forced to resign as Dodgers GM for being "a distraction."

[Frobby]

6 hours ago, sportsfan8703 said:

I wasn’t trying to be that guy, but didn’t we hire the actual assistant GM that traded for Osuna, and multiple members of that FO?  

 

Elias never had trades in his portfolio with the Astros and I’m not aware of him having any role in the Osuna trade.    His responsibilities were on the amateur scouting and player development side.   

[Darkhawk]

7 hours ago, sportsfan8703 said:

I wasn’t trying to be that guy, but didn’t we hire the actual assistant GM that traded for Osuna, and multiple members of that FO?  

 

 

1 hour ago, Frobby said:

Elias never had trades in his portfolio with the Astros and I’m not aware of him having any role in the Osuna trade.    His responsibilities were on the amateur scouting and player development side.   

I also remember there being a report that the Osuna trade caused a bit of a schism among the Astros front office.

Elias would have left regardless because he was offered a GM job but Sig MIGHT have been against the principle of the trade which factored into his decision to jump ship. 

[Can_of_corn]

 

[atomic]

23 hours ago, weams said:

Or too drunk. 

I don’t buy that. I have been drunk hundreds of times in my life and I have never yelled at one person in anger when drunk much less made offensive comments towards them.

[atomic]

4 hours ago, Can_of_corn said:

 

Really looks bad that they called the female reporter a liar.