Calling Elias incompetent is unfair

[wildcard]

We knew from the time Mike Elias was hired that he would follow the Houston model.   That means the team would be torn down and rebuilt.   We knew it would take years.   Living through the losing as an O's fan would be and is hard.   But the World Champion is the focus.

There are going to be moves along the way that some of us maybe most of us don't agree with.  Moves that hurt the term in the short term.    Some ask  "Why should I spend money to see the team?"   Well maybe you shouldn't if watching a rebuilding is not your thing.

Elias focus  is building a team for 2022 and beyond.   He may have a core forming.   Hays, Santander and Diaz in the outfield.   Rutschman at catcher.    Mountcastle  1B/DH.  Rodriguez, DL Hall and Means as starters and Harvey in the pen.  Its a beginning.  There are a lot of spots to fill.

Only one of those players were acquired by Elias.  Rutschman.   He inherited the rest.   So what has Elias done in his first year?   He made major steps toward building as first class player development organization.    Its hard to remember when the O's had so many pitchers having good season in the minors.   He did it by hiring managers and coaches.  The O's never had a position called development coach in my memory.   He made strides in developing  an Analytics Department.   He began to build a international scouting department.     Most of these things will not help the 2020 major league team.  But they will help the O's future and they take money to build.

So we are probably going to see another season of losing in 2020.   But the O's will have  high draft choices in 2020 and 2021 which will help build the core of players that lead the O's to a World Champions.   There will be spending on players down the line.  Houston didn't win the World Series by not spending money.  Neither will the O's.

So IMO opinion its fine to disagree with moves.   Its fine to be frustrated with going through the losing.   But Mike Elias is not incompetent and should not be called that.  He is following the plan that he believes will take the O's to a World Championship. And that is not incompetence.

 

[mdbdotcom]

We won't know the outcome of the Villar move until either:

1. He's traded, or
2. The waiver period expires on Monday and he's either claimed by a team or non-tendered

So, complaining about the move now may be a little premature.

[Frobby]

Are a lot of people calling Elias incompetent?    Criticizing the Villar move and calling the GM incompetent are two different things.   

[Roll Tide]

5 minutes ago, Frobby said:

Are a lot of people calling Elias incompetent?    Criticizing the Villar move and calling the GM incompetent are two different things.   

No ...I called him a Buffoon!

I haven't seen him doing anything so far that couldn't have been done by the previous group.

He made no international signings of note, he got nothing done at the deadline except Cashner for scraps, and now Villar for nothing!

Call me unimpressed!

[Roll Tide]

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This is a tough sell for a fan base that’s forced to swallow 100-loss seasons until the new regime completes its teardown and rebuild. A complete redesign of the organization. But unpopular moves are in the blueprint, whether it’s firing long-time scouts and instructors or cutting ties with one of the best players on the team.

A player who put the Orioles on the winning side of the Jonathan Schoop trade with the Brewers.

Remember that you were warned about it being ugly before it gets better.

If wins don’t matter right now, neither do style points.

Here's Roch's take

Which is just plain stupid!

Nobody would care if Villar was traded for prospects.

Its Elias inability to get anything of value for our best player!  THATS INCOMPETENT!

Its dumping your most valuable player for nothing to save the $10 million that you want pull out of the safe later.

 

 

 

[wildcard]

11 minutes ago, Roll Tide said:

Here's Roch's take

Which is just plain stupid!

Nobody would care if Villar was traded for prospects.

Its Elias inability to get anything of value for our best player!  THATS INCOMPETENT!

Its dumping your most valuable player for nothing to save the $10 million that you want pull out of the safe later.

 

 

 

Frobby,  there is your answer.

[Roll Tide]

2 minutes ago, wildcard said:

Frobby,  there is your answer.

YEP

And your defending him here

Name one worth while personnel move that he's made in over a year. Can you?

I don't think he's earned the benefit of the doubt.

This is a horrible move!

[Pushmonkey]

I just don’t think he has control of the roster. If he did I seriously doubt Davis would be on the roster.  

[7Mo]

25 minutes ago, Roll Tide said:

Here's Roch's take

Which is just plain stupid!

Nobody would care if Villar was traded for prospects.

 

 

Do you think Elias has turned down an offer for prospects?

[Frobby]

11 minutes ago, Roll Tide said:

YEP

And your defending him here

Name one worth while personnel move that he's made in over a year. Can you?

I don't think he's earned the benefit of the doubt.

This is a horrible move!

If you are talking about major league personnel moves, there’s not much to write home about.   Acquiring Hanser Alberto off waivers probably tops the list.    

But that’s not really what I’m expecting of Elias at this point, or how I’m judging him.   Unlike you, I do think he made very solid progress on the international front, but Rome wasn’t built in a day.    I like what he’s been doing in drafting and development.    Bottom line, I intend to be patient.   
 

[Roll Tide]

1 minute ago, 7Mo said:

Do you think Elias has turned down an offer for prospects?

We know he had offers at the deadline through Roch. Just not a deal he liked, but I'm sure that was better than dumping him for nothing.

[Roll Tide]

1 minute ago, Frobby said:

If you are talking about major league personnel moves, there’s not much to write home about.   Acquiring Hanser Alberto off waivers probably tops the list.    

But that’s not really what I’m expecting of Elias at this point, or how I’m judging him.   Unlike you, I do think he made very solid progress on the international front, but Rome wasn’t built in a day.    I like what he’s been doing in drafting and development.    Bottom line, I intend to be patient.   
 

noted thanks for the input! I respect your opinion. Maybe he's better suited to be a personnel director and not an MLB GM.

Thats certainly possible

[7Mo]

1 minute ago, Roll Tide said:

We know he had offers at the deadline through Roch. Just not a deal he liked, but I'm sure that was better than dumping him for nothing.

So you would have been good with taking virtually nothing in a prospect return in July?

[Roll Tide]

1 minute ago, 7Mo said:

So you would have been good with taking virtually nothing in a prospect return in July?

Just because he didnt like the return that doesn't mean it was "virtually nothing". He's traded a deal or deals that he didn't like for zero!

[7Mo]

1 minute ago, Roll Tide said:

Just because he didnt like the return that doesn't mean it was "virtually nothing". He's traded a deal or deals that he didn't like for zero!

But we don't know what the offer was, right? I understand your point. You've been real clear. But my point is we don't know what was on the table. It strikes me as unfair to call someone a buffoon for not making a deal when we don't know what, if any, deal was on the table.

Maybe your position proves accurate over time. I don't think it will. 

But it seems unfair to call someone a buffoon or incompetent when we don't know details. I understand that you disagree. Happy Thanksgiving.