Who Are Your Top Three Rule 5 Targets?

[MurphDogg]

24 minutes ago, Scalious said:

It really has for the most part since the rule changes in 2006. Not much better then what can be had on WW claims. You might find a pitcher who sticks. Brad Keller in 2017 has been the best one in very recent seasons. Then you have to go back to 2014 with Odubel Herrera, Mark Canha, DeShields Jr.. To Ender Inciarte, Hector Rondon in 2012 + a handful of other useful RP i'm not listing.

Maybe the addition of the 26th might change some things. Caleb Smith was a rule 5er that was returned that later became a relevant SP.

Everyone beside 3 players were returned last year (Martin, Brennan, Luciano)

In addition to those you mentioned, my guess is that Victor Reyes, the top pick in the 2017 Rule 5 draft will be a productive big leaguer, and Santander may be as well, but otherwise the draft has been pretty fallow over the last few years.

[Can_of_corn]

5 minutes ago, interloper said:

Seems to me your disdain for the Rule 5 has colored your opinion of Santander. The dude mashed for most of the year and played hard on defense. He tailed off, sure, but come on. First full season at the big league level on a terrible team. I don't think it's fair to pull out the 99+ on him and act like that tells us anything about him long term. Especially when the rest of the team is incomplete at best, or scrubby at worst. 

The idea that a corner outfielder needs to mash for 162 games straight I think needs a bit of a correction. We can't expect everyone who plays LF or RF to be Mookie Betts. The Nationals won a championship with Adam Eaton (101+) and Gerardo Parra (87+) and one young guy, Soto, who went nuts (138+). 

How was I that down on Santander?  I was asked about him and expressed doubts that he's an exceptional player going forward and said he didn't look good in the second half.  You are acting like I called him a piece of garbage and advocated for his release.

I have no issues at all with him getting a good long look next year, he earned it.

But I can still think he's not a long term piece.

 

[HowAboutThat]

36 minutes ago, Scalious said:

You might find a pitcher who sticks. Brad Keller in 2017 has been the best one in very recent seasons.

Joe Biagini was a tremendous pick by the Jays, the same year we took Joey Rickard. They were even able to trade him to the Astros last summer. Boy that was a great pick.

[HowAboutThat]

24 minutes ago, interloper said:

I find this to be extremely hypocritical. You give Stewart a pass for both of his sub-par showings in the ML so far. And yet Santander is younger and had less seasoning in the minor leagues (483 games compared to Stewart's 690) and you're killing him over a 99+ in one half of an otherwise very good year for a 25 year old. 

Stewart is bad. Santander had a bad stretch. There is a difference. I don’t think anyone doubts that Santander will be in RF and doing a good job there next season.

[Beef Supreme]

8 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

How was I that down on Santander?  I was asked about him and expressed doubts that he's an exceptional player going forward and said he didn't look good in the second half.  You are acting like I called him a piece of garbage and advocated for his release.

I have no issues at all with him getting a good long look next year, he earned it.

But I can still think he's not a long term piece.

 

And you may be right. I think the strategy was a little different when the Orioles drafted Santander from where they stand today. They have to draft a long-term piece, imo, for this year's Rule 5 draft to have any possible meaning. In other words, I think they might get "long-term piece" value by drafting a 21 year old. But I am dubious of the value of drafting a 25 year old to "eat innings" or whatever for the next three seasons.

[Beef Supreme]

9 minutes ago, Philip said:

Stewart is bad. Santander had a bad stretch. There is a difference. I don’t think anyone doubts that Santander will be in RF and doing a good job there next season.

I am not holding out hope of DJ Stewart's emergence as an MLB player. From the eye-test alone, dude looks unathletic. I know, I know, "but he played football!" Don't care. He's not athletic enough to play baseball, imo.

[ScGO's]

I'm all about drafting and stashing, but its much harder to do with Davis on the roster, even with the 26th man.   I say we go for the MIF prospects being mentioned.  I'm not so sure about Sharpe.  With only 31 on the roster, why wouldn't Washington give him a 40 man?  Somethings got to be up there. 

[Can_of_corn]

17 minutes ago, Philip said:

Stewart is bad. Santander had a bad stretch. There is a difference. I don’t think anyone doubts that Santander will be in RF and doing a good job there next season.

Raises hand.

He might very well do a good job.  He certainly looked very good when he was called up.  However his history before his promotion last year leads to me have doubts on how sustainable his success was.  He put up a 726 OPS in Norfolk last year with the juiced ball (Sico-918, Stewart-944).  He put up a 703 OPS at three levels in 2018.

These things happened. 

[Frobby]

15 minutes ago, Philip said:

Stewart is bad. Santander had a bad stretch. There is a difference. I don’t think anyone doubts that Santander will be in RF and doing a good job there next season.

I’m taking a wait and see attitude towards both players.    Stewart’s has 189 major league PA spread over two years and Santander’s had 544 spread over three.    That’s not a lot to go on.    I will say, I don’t think we’ve seen Stewart’s best.    He played hurt much of the season and that’s why he had surgery when the year was over.   I think Santander has the higher ceiling, but both may prove to be useful players.   And Diaz may prove to be better than either of them.   

[interloper]

6 minutes ago, Frobby said:

I’m taking a wait and see attitude towards both players.    Stewart’s has 189 major league PA spread over two years and Santander’s had 544 spread over three.    That’s not a lot to go on.    I will say, I don’t think we’ve seen Stewart’s best.    He played hurt much of the season and that’s why he had surgery when the year was over.   I think Santander has the higher ceiling, but both may prove to be useful players.   And Diaz may prove to be better than either of them.   

I like both players. I don't think either of them need to mash taters at a steroid era pace to be useful corner outfielders. I have my doubts that either are SUPER long term pieces (who is these days, especially on the Orioles who have yet to prove they will sign their young players early?). We're hoping guys like Hays and Mountcastle and Diaz are those type of guys. But I'd certainly rather watch Stewart and Santander than Dwight Smith Jr. and Stevie Wilkerson (sick catch tho). 

[Can_of_corn]

2 minutes ago, interloper said:

I like both players. I don't think either of them need to mash taters at a steroid era pace to be useful corner outfielders. I have my doubts that either are SUPER long term pieces (who is these days, especially on the Orioles who have yet to prove they will sign their young players early?). We're hoping guys like Hays and Mountcastle and Diaz are those type of guys. But I'd certainly rather watch Stewart and Santander than Dwight Smith Jr. and Stevie Wilkerson (sick catch tho). 

Sure.

 

[Tony-OH]

49 minutes ago, interloper said:

Seems to me your disdain for the Rule 5 has colored your opinion of Santander. The dude mashed for most of the year and played hard on defense. He tailed off, sure, but come on. First full season at the big league level on a terrible team. I don't think it's fair to pull out the 99+ on him and act like that tells us anything about him long term. Especially when the rest of the team is incomplete at best, or scrubby at worst. 

The idea that a corner outfielder needs to mash for 162 games straight I think needs a bit of a correction. We can't expect everyone who plays LF or RF to be Mookie Betts. The Nationals won a championship with Adam Eaton (101+) and Gerardo Parra (87+) and one young guy, Soto, who went nuts (138+). 

Let's not forget, Richie Martin did slash .296/.333/.408/.741 over his last 107 PAs last year. Grant it, it was mostly against left-handers, but he did make some nice adjustments. 

[Roll Tide]

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[sportsfan8703]

26 minutes ago, Tony-OH said:

Let's not forget, Richie Martin did slash .296/.333/.408/.741 over his last 107 PAs last year. Grant it, it was mostly against left-handers, but he did make some nice adjustments. 

Credit the coaching staff for putting him in situations to succeed. 

[Aristotelian]

4 hours ago, Can_of_corn said:

How was I that down on Santander?  I was asked about him and expressed doubts that he's an exceptional player going forward and said he didn't look good in the second half.  You are acting like I called him a piece of garbage and advocated for his release.

I have no issues at all with him getting a good long look next year, he earned it.

But I can still think he's not a long term piece.

 

You said "not worth the effort". He is a viable MLB piece that we poached from another organization. His AB's did not block anyone or cost any meaningful games. He is absolutely worth every penny we didn't pay to get him.