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Cause I hate watching him pitch?   And "innings eaten" is a myth.  Dude hardly makes it past the 5th, barely makes it into the 6th.  Has never cracked 200 innings, hasn't come particularly close

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17 minutes ago, beervendor said:

Oh it certainly could, but he was pretty good for us quite recently. And he doesn't have to be good, just serviceable. I think the upside of Cashner putting up 180+IP outweighs the likelihood of him underperforming our second best rule V arm, or whomever we find to fill the 2nd or 3rd avail SP slot. A lot like our elections - there are no good choices, you just hope to end up with the least bad option.

Cashner has thrown 180+ innings exactly once in his career, in 2015.   If you sign him, you’re looking for 150+, not 180+.    

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11 minutes ago, Frobby said:

Cashner has thrown 180+ innings exactly once in his career, in 2015.   If you sign him, you’re looking for 150+, not 180+.    

Is 180+ even the number you look for anymore with the way teams use the bullpen.  You had All star starters that were not hurt during the year that still didn't reach 180+ innings.  

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Even Drew Smyly would be a better signing than Cashner. At least he can potentially strike out close to a batter a game. Cashner had 108 Ks in 160 IPs last season. Unless you're Greg Maddux you can't be a good pitcher in this era with those numbers. And Cashner isn't a good pitcher. His 2017 season was all smoke and mirrors. 

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1 minute ago, bpilktree said:

Is 180+ even the number you look for anymore with the way teams use the bullpen.  You had All star starters that were not hurt during the year that still didn't reach 180+ innings.  

180+ or 150+...Cashner's era is still going to be well over 5.00. The smaller sample size isn't going to hide the fact that he's an absolutely terrible pitcher. 

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1 minute ago, wildbillhiccup said:

Even Drew Smyly would be a better signing than Cashner. At least he can potentially strike out close to a batter a game. Cashner had 108 Ks in 160 IPs last season. Unless you're Greg Maddux you can't be a good pitcher in this era with those numbers. And Cashner isn't a good pitcher. His 2017 season was all smoke and mirrors. 

The guy has been pitching a long time now, and has a career ERA+ of 99.    That’s basically who he is.    Which isn’t awful.   I don’t think the O’s should sign him, but let’s not make him out to be worse than he is.    He’s meh.

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Just now, Frobby said:

The guy has been pitching a long time now, and has a career ERA+ of 99.    That’s basically who he is.    Which isn’t awful.   I don’t think the O’s should sign him, but let’s not make him out to be worse than he is.    He’s meh.

That wasn't my intention. Smyly is a SIGNIFICANTLY better pitcher than Cashner and that says a lot. 

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2 minutes ago, Frobby said:

The guy has been pitching a long time now, and has a career ERA+ of 99.    That’s basically who he is.    Which isn’t awful.   I don’t think the O’s should sign him, but let’s not make him out to be worse than he is.    He’s meh.

...and maybe Cashner used to be "meh", but now he's awful. How he was able to pull off a sub 4 era in 2017 when he had a 4.64 K/9 rate is an absolute mystery. Only the terrible Oriole's regime (at the time) wouldn't view that as a red flag and offer him a long term deal. 

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48 minutes ago, wildbillhiccup said:

...and maybe Cashner used to be "meh", but now he's awful. How he was able to pull off a sub 4 era in 2017 when he had a 4.64 K/9 rate is an absolute mystery. Only the terrible Oriole's regime (at the time) wouldn't view that as a red flag and offer him a long term deal. 

I think we got more or less what we paid for - 1.5 seasons of 4.73 ERA (94 ERA+) over 249 innings, plus two raw prospects received in a trade.    For that we paid him about $11.5 mm.    That’s not terrible.    But we wouldn’t have signed him if we knew we were going to be non-competitive.    Now we do know, so no point in signing him again.  

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On 1/9/2020 at 3:32 PM, wildbillhiccup said:

I understand what you're saying, but I just threw up in my mouth a bit looking at the list of remaining free agent SPs. Why waste the money on any of these retreads? 

 

Alex Wood SP 29 CIN TBD -   - -0.3  
Ivan Nova SP 33 CHW TBD -   - 2.12  
C.C. Sabathia SP 39 NYY TBD -   - 0.37  
Jason Vargas SP 37 PHI TBD -   - 1.62  
Drew Smyly SP 31 PHI TBD -   - -0.68  
Taijuan Walker SP 27 ARI TBD -   - 0.05  
Danny Salazar SP 30 CLE TBD -   - 0.08  
Chad Bettis SP 31 COL TBD -   - -0.15  
Clay Buchholz SP 35 TOR TBD -   - -0.33  
J.C. Ramirez SP 31 LAA TBD -   - 0.06  
Erasmo Ramirez SP 30 BOS TBD -   - -0.08  
Ervin Santana SP 37 NYM TBD -   - -0.4  
Jerad Eickhoff SP 29 PHI TBD -   - -0.05  
Allen Webster SP 30 CHC TBD -   - -0.05  
Cody Anderson SP 29 CLE TBD -   - -0.62  
Dan Straily SP 31 PHI TBD -   - -1.3  
Aaron Brooks SP 30 BAL TBD -   - 0.06  
Jacob Nix SP 24 SD TBD -   -    
Tom Milone SP 33 SEA TBD -   - 1.32  
Felipe Paulino SP 36 HOU TBD -   -    
Edwin Jackson SP 36 DET TBD -   - -1.54  
Ryan Feierabend SP 34 TOR TBD -   - -0.24  
Tayler Scott SP 28 BAL TBD -   - -0.26  
Gabriel Ynoa SP 27 BAL TBD -   - 0.06  
Rookie Davis SP 27 PIT TBD -   - -0.05  
Aaron Slegers SP 27 TB TBD -   - 0.04  
Henderson Alvarez SP 30 WSH TBD -   -    
Brandon Beachy SP 33 SF TBD -   -    
Ricky Nolasco SP 37 ARI TBD -   -    
Drew Hutchison SP 29 LAA TBD -   -    
Shelby Miller SP 29 MIL TBD -   - -1  
Rubby De La Rosa SP 31 ARI TBD -   -  
On 1/10/2020 at 10:09 AM, weams said:

Many of those players are retired or pitching in Asia.

 

This guy is dead...

 

 

Then. Cross. Him. Off.

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13 minutes ago, Frobby said:

I think we got more or less what we paid for - 1.5 seasons of 4.73 ERA (94 ERA+) over 249 innings, plus two raw prospects received in a trade.    For that we paid him about $11.5 mm.    That’s not terrible.    But we wouldn’t have signed him if we knew we were going to be non-competitive.    Now we do know, so no point in signing him again.  

It would be foolish. 

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I thought this thread was from 2018ish. Kinda shocked it wasn't. There's a reason we traded him...….dude sucks and he's SHOT. Look, I'm into torturing myself and watching/actively following this team at the ML Level for the next few years but watching Grizzly Adams throw 92 MPH meatballs like an angry Italian has the appeal of watching someone slash your tires on repeat. Pass. 

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On 1/9/2020 at 2:25 PM, mdbdotcom said:

I'd rather go through as many guys as necessary to find one young guy with a future. W/L don't matter.

While I understand this and get what you're thinking, I also don't want to ruin the potential future of a young pitcher by throwing him to the wolves before he is ready because we literally have noone else to pitch those innings. 

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5 minutes ago, BrendanPlutschak said:

While I understand this and get what you're thinking, I also don't want to ruin the potential future of a young pitcher by throwing him to the wolves before he is ready because we literally have noone else to pitch those innings. 

We'll have plenty of guys next month.

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