The Astros and Red Sox Punishments

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Just now, MurphDogg said:

Nah, they told everyone that this would be taken seriously in August 2017 and to make sure that you flew straight from then on. The Astros didn't do so and are being punished. Same with the Red Sox. The teams had warning that this would be punished severely.

They fined the Red Sox.  No picks, no suspensions, a fine.  That's less than a slap on the wrist for a MLB team. 

Why didn't they detail what the future penalties would be?

[MurphDogg]

Just now, Can_of_corn said:

They fined the Red Sox.  No picks, no suspensions, a fine.  That's less than a slap on the wrist for a MLB team. 

Why didn't they detail what the future penalties would be?

Right, they fined them and said that if it happened again the consequences would be severe. Notice was served. That is why this time the Red Sox will be getting more than a fine.

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Just now, MurphDogg said:

Right, they fined them and said that if it happened again the consequences would be severe. Notice was served. That is why this time the Red Sox will be getting more than a fine.

Right.  They essentially didn't punish the Red Sox and then made vague statements about harsh future penalties.  Why not lay out what those penalties would be?  Would you take anyone seriously that handled things in such a manner?  Be it a parent, a teacher or an employer?

You need to either set actual guidelines or follow former precedent, you can't just make things up as you go.  Except that is what MLB does all the time.

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So the Astros did report 8 other teams as cheaters but MLB only found the accusation against the Red Sox credible.  

[weams]

 

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5 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

Right.  They essentially didn't punish the Red Sox and then made vague statements about harsh future penalties.  Why not lay out what those penalties would be?  Would you take anyone seriously that handled things in such a manner?  Be it a parent, a teacher or an employer?

You need to either set actual guidelines or follow former precedent, you can't just make things up as you go.  Except that is what MLB does all the time.

Because there are different extents of cheating. And who cares anyway the teams were warned of harsh punishment. They got harsh punishment.

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1 minute ago, weams said:

 

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Let's condemn those dirty cheaters while simultaneously lauding those players who tried to injure their peers by suggesting they would commit manslaughter in the name of a fair game!

[SteveA]

6 minutes ago, weams said:

 

I read somewhere (Posnanski probably) that Gibson hates that that reputation is the defining thing people remember from his career.   He apparently feels he is a pretty nice guy and yet all people remember is that he would throw at people.   His HBP rates weren't remarkably high and lots of Ps in that era used the inside part of the plate and threw at guys who leaned in too much.   He wishes he was remembered more for his overall pitching talent than for that one personality trait that he feels is inaccurate and exaggerated.

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Not the same type of cheating but, what were the penalties the Braves took a couple years ago? Executives suspended and international slots removed?

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52 minutes ago, SteveA said:

I read somewhere (Posnanski probably) that Gibson hates that that reputation is the defining thing people remember from his career.   He apparently feels he is a pretty nice guy and yet all people remember is that he would throw at people.   His HBP rates weren't remarkably high and lots of Ps in that era used the inside part of the plate and threw at guys who leaned in too much.   He wishes he was remembered more for his overall pitching talent than for that one personality trait that he feels is inaccurate and exaggerated.

McCarver used to say he would barely speak to him and were he to come to the mound he would snarl and tell him to get out of there.   

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1 minute ago, weams said:

McCarver used to say he would barely speak to him and were he to come to the mound he would snarl and tell him to get out of there.   

Can you blame a man for not wanting to talk to McCarver?

[MurphDogg]

35 minutes ago, oh-wee-ohs said:

Not the same type of cheating but, what were the penalties the Braves took a couple years ago? Executives suspended and international slots removed?

One executive banned for life, one suspended for a year, thirteen players signings were nullified and became free agents, loss of a third round pick, inability to sign any player for more than $10K during the 2019-20 period, and 50 percent reduction in pool for the 20-21 period.

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5 minutes ago, MurphDogg said:

One executive banned for life, one suspended for a year, thirteen players signings were nullified and became free agents, loss of a third round pick, inability to sign any player for more than $10K during the 2019-20 period, and 50 percent reduction in pool for the 20-21 period.

Weird how once again the Red Sox get caught and then another team gets caught and hit with a much harsher penalty.

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The Red Sox have been banned from signing international amateurs that are subject to MLB’s bonus pools for the 2016-17 signing period, reports Yahoo’s Jeff Passan. Furthermore, five prospects that the Sox signed during the 2015-16 signing period have been declared free agents

 

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1 hour ago, Can_of_corn said:

Let's condemn those dirty cheaters while simultaneously lauding those players who tried to injure their peers by suggesting they would commit manslaughter in the name of a fair game!

Manslaughter?  Gibson's control was better than that.  2 week hospital stay max.