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I don't think so.  I think this is pretty much just to help the Marlins have enough players to put together a team.  It's a courtesy trade. It's why I think the O's just might get him back as the PTBNL.

2 things. Personally I think it's more shark-like. Strike while the Marlins are desperate for players.

 

2nd, Why would ME do a courtesy trade? And why remove Bleier just to get him back later? The only benefit I can see in that is to free up a roster spot for a while, which we're not really desperate for right now.

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Personally, it’s guys like Bleier you should be trading because they are good. The guy is 33. He’s pitching well. The Orioles can move him for someone else. Someone younger. A person with promise

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Because it is illegal to trade guys who are not on teams' 60 man pools.  With no minor league season, the guys not on 60 man rosters are frozen in place. 60 man rosters are composed of:    1

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I think that is definitely against the rules. 

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They don't owe you anything. Does Coca-Cola or Microsoft or Google share their business plan with you just because you use their product? Of course not. It's just business.

 

 

 

I can eat 50 eggs.

It is fine.I don’t owe them my entertainment dollars any longer as well or to waste my  limited time with their lousy product much longer. 

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2 minutes ago, scOtt said:

2 things. Personally I think it's more shark-like. Strike while the Marlins are desperate for players.

 

2nd, Why would ME do a courtesy trade? And why remove Bleier just to get him back later? The only benefit I can see in that is to free up a roster spot for a while, which we're not really desperate for right now.

Because right now the Marlins can't field a team.  The league needs them to be able to field a team.

The O's aren't going anywhere this season, they can "lend out" a reliever.

Not as if the O's are going to be battling the Marlins for a playoff berth.

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3 minutes ago, scOtt said:

2 things. Personally I think it's more shark-like. Strike while the Marlins are desperate for players.

 

2nd, Why would ME do a courtesy trade? And why remove Bleier just to get him back later? The only benefit I can see in that is to free up a roster spot for a while, which we're not really desperate for right now.

You explained  well why were doing the “PTBNL” route, But isn’t it also true that if we get a guy and announce him, we have to put him on our 60 man? By delaying the announcement, even if we already know who we’re going to get, we maintain that open space and we basically don’t have to worry about the new guy until after the season.

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1 minute ago, Can_of_corn said:

Because right now the Marlins can't field a team.  The league needs them to be able to field a team.

The O's aren't going anywhere this season, they can "lend out" a reliever.

Not as if the O's are going to be battling the Marlins for a playoff berth.

? I guess I'm just more cynical and Machiavellian. You may be right.

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4 minutes ago, scOtt said:

2nd, Why would ME do a courtesy trade? And why remove Bleier just to get him back later? The only benefit I can see in that is to free up a roster spot for a while, which we're not really desperate for right now.

Because the Orioles are a franchise that's part of the MLB corporation.  MLB is trying to have a season under strange circumstances, and the Marlins need to be able to field a team.  In 1902 when John McGraw ran off to join the Giants in mid-season and took a bunch of players with him the rest of the AL donated players to the Orioles so they could finish out the schedule.  I think this may be similar.

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You explained  well why were doing the “PTBNL” route, But isn’t it also true that if we get a guy and announce him, we have to put him on our 60 man? By delaying the announcement, even if we already know who we’re going to get, we maintain that open space and we basically don’t have to worry about the new guy until after the season.

Could be. But as return for Bleier, he's a very good reliever when he's on, but he's still just an old reliever with bad peripherals really outperforming his stats. You can't really expect a top prospect for him. Which is all you would get from the Marlins' 60-man. And you can't trade those who aren't on the 60-man. So it's a PTBNL. Like SteveA said, it'll be announced after the season.

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1 minute ago, scOtt said:

Well that's your choice, and you're free to it. :noidea:

I have been more free of my obsession this year, actually....and it has been a bit of a relief, frankly.    And as I said, I have already cut out most of my previous dollars I sent to Angelos and MASN and MLB.TV......And more and more soon to be former fans are going to find better ways to spend their time because of the pandemic and its effects ...and will vote with their pocketbooks.   MLB can not “owe me anything”  and millions like me anything and we shall see how their business does going forward. 

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5 minutes ago, DrungoHazewood said:

Because the Orioles are a franchise that's part of the MLB corporation.  MLB is trying to have a season under strange circumstances, and the Marlins need to be able to field a team.  In 1902 when John McGraw ran off to join the Giants in mid-season and took a bunch of players with him the rest of the AL donated players to the Orioles so they could finish out the schedule.  I think this may be similar.

John McGraw WAS Machiavelli. In another life. ?

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8 minutes ago, Philip said:

You explained  well why were doing the “PTBNL” route, But isn’t it also true that if we get a guy and announce him, we have to put him on our 60 man? By delaying the announcement, even if we already know who we’re going to get, we maintain that open space and we basically don’t have to worry about the new guy until after the season.

 

3 minutes ago, scOtt said:

Could be. But as return for Bleier, he's a very good reliever when he's on, but he's still just an old reliever with bad peripherals really outperforming his stats. You can't really expect a top prospect for him. Which is all you would get from the Marlins' 60-man. And you can't trade those who aren't on the 60-man. So it's a PTBNL. Like SteveA said, it'll be announced after the season.

I read your post wrong. I think we're more or less in agreement.

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5 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

Why would the Marlins, in contention for the worst team in baseball, want Bleier?

To me the need to fill out a roster is the only rational reason they would trade for him.

They do have more than half their 30-man to replace...

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