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44 minutes ago, Rene88 said:

Maybe we should be investing more in player development? Scouts?:) Just a thought. 

 

Ben McDonald said today the drastic improvement in his breaking pitch was a big part of the success.

I know we didn’t need more evidence that our org was incompetent with starting pitching but this one hurts. Just like Jake.

If it’s something that could be corrected immediately, isn’t that coaching, not player development?

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So the guy gets traded and within a week the Braves coaches identify some issue, had him correct it to relative perfection and now he is an ace? Is that the gist?

Or has he pitched against the 9,10, 12 and 15th offenses in the already offensively challenged NL? Not to mention, look at his last 9 starts here, 7 of them 3 runs or less.

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This is an extremely small sample size. Let's wait a full season before we crown him the next Arrieta.

However, it's well known that leaving the AL immediately improves a pitcher by 1/2 run. Subtract another 1/2 run for leaving the AL East. Perhaps another 1/2 run for leaving the Orioles organization. Then a mediocre 4.0 ERA pitcher all of a sudden is a very good 2.5 ERA one.

 

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2 hours ago, Finisher said:

But we got international money we didn't need, four prospects unlikely to amount to anything and salary dumped a reliever we possibly could've traded next deadline. WINNING.

Our GM is spoken about as if he somehow built a playoff team in 3 months, with a foundation he had nothing to do with, rather than for turning that solid foundation into the worst collection of talent in all of sports. No organization has fewer assets than the Baltimore Orioles. It’s nearly impossible to have zero top 100 prospects and zero top 200 mlb players, but Dan managed to pull it off. 

We draft the arm with the most upside each year (Bundy, Gaus, Harvey, Hall, Grayson) if we simply did that, and hadn’t given away 1st rounders for atrocious SPs, it’s very likely Kopech is in Baltimore. Instead, we got Duqued.

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2 hours ago, Uli2001 said:

This is an extremely small sample size. Let's wait a full season before we crown him the next Arrieta.

However, it's well known that leaving the AL immediately improves a pitcher by 1/2 run. Subtract another 1/2 run for leaving the AL East. Perhaps another 1/2 run for leaving the Orioles organization. Then a mediocre 4.0 ERA pitcher all of a sudden is a very good 2.5 ERA one.

 

Tell that to Archer.

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David Hess has thrown three quality starts in a row, giving up a total of 3 earned runs in 19 innings. Am I claiming that makes him as good as Gausman? Of course not. It's just a small sample size until he proves it's not. Same with Gausman. I wish him all the best. 

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6 hours ago, Luke-OH said:

If it’s something that could be corrected immediately, isn’t that coaching, not player development?

Didn’t Roger McDowell get the manager job with the Braves because of his history with the organization and developing pitching?  So McDowell wasn’t a very good manager but he was in charge of the pitching 2006-2016. So we got the top pitching guy, from one of the top pitching orgs. 

Atlanta can offer Gausman things that we couldn’t. The Pitcher batting. No AL East. Big ballparks. Wonder what that does for a guys’ confidence?

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Over six seasons, Gausman's pitching coaches with the O's included Rick Adair, Bill Castro, Dave Wallace and Roger McDowell. He was jerked around from minors (where he had more pitching coaches) to majors and back again, and was shuttled from the rotation to the bullpen. 

If an organization can't provide consistent instruction and coaching throughout the organization, then the pitcher can't know whose instruction to follow. This needs to be addressed in the rebuild if it hasn't been, already.

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7 minutes ago, sportsfan8703 said:

Didn’t Roger McDowell get the manager job with the Braves because of his history with the organization and developing pitching?  So McDowell wasn’t a very good manager but he was in charge of the pitching 2006-2016. So we got the top pitching guy, from one of the top pitching orgs. 

Atlanta can offer Gausman things that we couldn’t. The Pitcher batting. No AL East. Big ballparks. Wonder what that does for a guys’ confidence?

McDowell was never the Braves manager. He became their pitching coach in 2006 after we hire Leo Mazzone, the previous Braves pitching coach. 

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7 hours ago, Rene88 said:

Maybe we should be investing more in player development? Scouts?:) Just a thought. 

 

Ben McDonald said today the drastic improvement in his breaking pitch was a big part of the success.

I know we didn’t need more evidence that our org was incompetent with starting pitching but this one hurts. Just like Jake.

Maybe we should move the the NL East. 

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36 minutes ago, sportsfan8703 said:

Didn’t Roger McDowell get the manager job with the Braves because of his history with the organization and developing pitching?  So McDowell wasn’t a very good manager but he was in charge of the pitching 2006-2016. So we got the top pitching guy, from one of the top pitching orgs. 

Atlanta can offer Gausman things that we couldn’t. The Pitcher batting. No AL East. Big ballparks. Wonder what that does for a guys’ confidence?

I've always felt that these things make a big difference (not that the O's don't suck in starting pitching development). I wish there was some way to quantify it. How much of a difference?

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