Armstrong and Fry

[bobmc]

10 minutes ago, sportsfan8703 said:

Armstrong’s first “high leverage” spot in weeks and he started by throwing 7 straight balls. We got bailed out that the SEA hitter roped one to 2nd instead of just waiting out the inevitable walk. 
 

We currently have a 10 man pen. Armstrong is owed some money this year. I don’t think we just cut bait, just yet. However, the dude is a “gas can” at the moment. 
 

He’s only sitting 94 from what I’ve seen this year. He was upper 90’s from what I remember. 

@Luke-OH needs to school him again.

[sportsfan8703]

31 minutes ago, bobmc said:

@Luke-OH needs to school him again.

Is he back to throwing too many cutters versus 4 seam fastballs with high spin rate?  Seems like it might be tough to ditch the cutter for him since he just partially named his newborn son after it. 

[SteveA]

5 hours ago, Sports Guy said:

He had been fine the last few outings..but hung a bad pitch last night and paid for it.  It happens.

Glossing completely over the fact that he came out with a 4 run lead and started with 7 straight balls?

Last night was not just a "one mistake pitch" situation.

[Sports Guy]

Just now, SteveA said:

Glossing completely over the fact that he came out with a 4 run lead and started with 7 straight balls?

Last night was not just a "one mistake pitch" situation.

I didn’t know..but I don’t really care either.  It’s a rough outing of 3 batters..it happens.  
 

The over the top reactions on this board to small sample sizes is amazing to me.

[LocoChris]

48 minutes ago, Sports Guy said:

I didn’t know..but I don’t really care either.  It’s a rough outing of 3 batters..it happens.  
 

The over the top reactions on this board to small sample sizes is amazing to me.

Small sample size? He has a 10.80 ERA and had an ERA over 5 in 2019 in over 50 innings. If you wanna talk SSS then his 1.80 ERA in 15 innings last year qualifies for that pretty definitively. The guy is not good. 

[Sports Guy]

Just now, LocoChris said:

Small sample size? He has a 10.80 ERA and had an ERA over 5 in 2019 in over 50 innings. If you wanna talk SSS then his 1.80 ERA in 15 innings last year qualifies for that pretty definitively. The guy is not good. 

Yes, SSS..his ERA this year isn’t good but it’s a very limited amount of innings and we were talking about a 3 batter outing last night.  Doesn’t get much more meaningless than a 3 batter outing.Hell, his 2019 was a limited amount of innings, as was last year.

However, his MiL numbers are excellent and many of his peripherals are good, as I have shown on here before.

He certainly may never be anything but we have no one to replace him right now and he should get the chance to see what he can do.

[LocoChris]

1 minute ago, Sports Guy said:

Yes, SSS..his ERA this year isn’t good but it’s a very limited amount of innings and we were talking about a 3 batter outing last night.  Doesn’t get much more meaningless than a 3 batter outing.Hell, his 2019 was a limited amount of innings, as was last year.

However, his MiL numbers are excellent and many of his peripherals are good, as I have shown on here before.

He certainly may never be anything but we have no one to replace him right now and he should get the chance to see what he can do.

I agree I don’t mind having him on the team since our other relievers are doing so well. Maybe he’ll turn it around. 

[HowAboutThat]

1 hour ago, Sports Guy said:

I didn’t know..but I don’t really care either.  It’s a rough outing of 3 batters..it happens.  
 

The over the top reactions on this board to small sample sizes is amazing to me.

Although I do agree with you, at what point does a small sample size stop being a small sample size?

when I complain about Sisco, Or when anybody Complains about anybody, you’re not talking about the last stretch of X number at bats, but about the entire body of work.

I have no problem with Armstrong, though  last night Was not his best.

[foxfield]

1 hour ago, Sports Guy said:

I didn’t know..but I don’t really care either.  It’s a rough outing of 3 batters..it happens.  
 

The over the top reactions on this board to small sample sizes is amazing to me.

Some of it is truly small sample size, but the majority of it is confirmation bias.  And yes it is rampant.

[Sports Guy]

59 minutes ago, foxfield said:

Some of it is truly small sample size, but the majority of it is confirmation bias.  And yes it is rampant.

The problem is, whatever confirmation bias most are working on is meaningless because in larger sample sizes in his pro career and a deeper dive into his stats, you see that a negative bias is largely bs.

[Sports Guy]

1 hour ago, Philip said:

Although I do agree with you, at what point does a small sample size stop being a small sample size?

when I complain about Sisco, Or when anybody Complains about anybody, you’re not talking about the last stretch of X number at bats, but about the entire body of work.

I have no problem with Armstrong, though  last night Was not his best.

But you are talking about a SSS and worse yet, most people are making judgements with their eyes and most people aren’t capable of forming solid, well thought out opinions based on the eye test.  Eyes lie and you see what you want to see.

[OFFNY]

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(vs. MARINERS, 5/05)

 

Fry entered the game with a runner on 2nd base and one out in the bottom of the 7th inning, and the score tied at 1 apiece.

He faced 2 batters and recorded 2 Strikeouts, on l11 Pitches )(7 )Strikes, )4 )Balls.)

 

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[Aristotelian]

Armstrong has been terrible recently and merely bad over a large sample. I don't see what there is to like by either metric except that he is cheap and keeps us from starting the clock on any of the young guys.

[sportsfan8703]

SSS isn’t the worry here. The guy has lost his command and mechanics. He didn’t look good in ST either. So he’s been out of whack now for 2-3 months. The good news for him is that he has a guaranteed 825k contract, and we hate to just cut bait with players we owe guaranteed money to. So he will continue to get chances, especially in the era of 10 man bullpens. 

Edited May 5, 2021 by sportsfan8703

[Sports Guy]

1 hour ago, Aristotelian said:

Armstrong has been terrible recently and merely bad over a large sample. I don't see what there is to like by either metric except that he is cheap and keeps us from starting the clock on any of the young guys.

Prior to Mondays outings, he had pitched 3 straight scoreless appearances and 5 out of 6. In the 3 straight scoreless outings, he had 5 Ks, 1 Bb and no hits allowed on 4 IP.  In the other 2 outings, he allowed 1 hit, no walks and had no Ks.

Those outings accounted for 6 of the 8.1 IP he has under his belt (which is also a testament to how bad he was in some of this other outings because he was barely getting anyone out).

Anyway, depending on how you define recently, your post is wrong unless you are literally only talking about his outing on Monday.

Overall, we aren’t even talking about 10 innings and 11 appearances overall.  4 of those appearances came early in the season, right after having a kid and being off for about a week and then being thrown right back out there.  He gave up 6 runs in those 4 outings, over the span of 2 innings.