MacPhail has TOTAL control? Not what I hear!

[geschinger]

Rumor has it PGA bought a brand new Mercedes instead of a Ford or Chevrolet.

I knew it was his fault that our economy is so bad. Not only should he sell the team but maybe he should move to Canada.

You act like the hubbub was about something inconsequential with comments like these... Do you honestly think that the position is inconsequential enough that we shouldn't care that we have someone in the position that the actual baseball people don't think is the best man for the job?

[SilentJames]

You act like the hubbub was about something inconsequential with comments like these... Do you honestly think that the position is inconsequential enough that we shouldn't care that we have someone in the position that the actual baseball people don't think is the best man for the job?

I thought we were all very happy with Dave. I mean weren't we all just totally jazzed with the way the farm system was going?

Seriously, last week wasn't Dave doing a good job in our eyes?

[Sports Guy]

I thought we were all very happy with Dave. I mean weren't we all just totally jazzed with the way the farm system was going?

Seriously, last week wasn't Dave doing a good job in our eyes?

No...the development of our players is beyond awful.

[geschinger]

I thought we were all very happy with Dave. I mean weren't we all just totally jazzed with the way the farm system was going?

Seriously, last week wasn't Dave doing a good job in our eyes?

Jazzed that we've added talent but w/the results of players that get brought up I'm not sure we're getting the most out of that talent. But anyway, that isn't the point. I don't have any idea how well or poorly he's doing his job but what I do know is that if the baseball guys want to go in another direction they would know what's better for the organization than the owner. Do you disagree w/that?

[SilentJames]

It's hard to judge whether he's done a good job or not but that's not even the issue.

BTW, Belky should change his name to Pollyanna O. Let's keep things sunny in O's land as to not ruin his day. LOL

That is such bull.

Why would Andy be here if he felt he was being hamstrung? I mean can he NOT find a job elsewhere?

MacPhail has said it himself.

[SilentJames]

Jazzed that we've added talent but w/the results of players that get brought up I'm not sure we're getting the most out of that talent. But anyway, that isn't the point. I don't have any idea how well or poorly he's doing his job but what I do know is that if the baseball guys want to go in another direction they would know what's better for the organization than the owner. Do you disagree w/that?

I don't necessarily disagree with that. But I disagree with the notion that we should expect Peter just to stay in his office an never come out or have an opinion on how his money is spent.

What owner WOULDN'T want a say?

So there is a difference between being an owner and then micro-managing.

Again, if this was a big deal Andy would not be here. It is just that simple.

[geschinger]

I don't necessarily disagree with that. But I disagree with the notion that we should expect Peter just to stay in his office an never come out or have an opinion on how his money is spent.

What owner WOULDN'T want a say?

So there is a difference between being an owner and then micro-managing.

Again, if this was a big deal Andy would not be here. It is just that simple.

Having a say is fine, but I want him to defer to his baseball people when it comes to things where it's obvious his baseball people would know whats best.

I don't buy that we can say it's not big deal because Andy didn't throw up his hands and quit over this specific issue. If he does quit at some point I'm sure it will be due to a series of things which this may or may not be one of 'em.

[Sports Guy]

Look, I don't know what is true here regarding whether MacPhail wanted Stockstill gone and Angelos overruled it, so I'm not going to draw any conclusions on that issue.

However, I am going to offer the following points of view.

First viewpoint:

IF AM wanted him gone and Angelos said no, I'm not sure how ANYONE can possibly defend that situation. I don't understand all the things that need to be done by Stockstill and I'm sure that I've got a better grasp of the job duties than Angelos who is not involved in the day-to-day operations of the club. If MacPhail wants him gone, he should be gone unless it is some kind of petty personality thing which seems extremely unlikely. AM is in charge for a reason. If Angelos wants to prevents these sorts of moves, then he needs to get much more involved in the everyday operations so that he has a proper basis of information to make the decision. Until then, he should follow the recommendation of the guy he entrusted to be in charge.

Second viewpoint:

I'm not sure how anyone can view the job being done by the actual MiL coordinators as a job well done. I think people are getting confused between MiL talent and MiL process. Our draft and scouting guys are responsible for identifying and signing talent. They are obviously doing a pretty good job these days.

Our MiL coordinators are not doing nearly as well. There are a number of disturbing signs that things aren't being handled well including the continuing high number of injuries, the lack-of-readiness for MiL prospects that are promoted, the continued poor overall minor league record despite good talent. etc.... We are viewed as a top 10 team in MiL talent, yet we finished with a composite record that was well below 500 in the minors again this year. I don't really care about the composite minor league record per se, but it is an indicator of a possible issue.

I'm not sure the issues we're having in the minors with coordination reside solely on Stockstill's shoulders, but I also don't find it hard to believe that it does.

This may be your best post.

[Lucky Jim]

This may be your best post.

Thats' SG's way of saying "I agree."

By the way, I agree, too.

[Satyr3206]

The part about this thread that concerns me is peoples ability to give credence to so called "inside information". Without knowing where this tidbit came from I take it with a ton of salt.

As far as any Owner wanting input into decisions, would you if you owned the business? It's really that simple. And until I hear from MacPhail's mouth that Angelos is overruling him and it's affecting the Organization it's a moot point.

[Greg Pappas]

The part about this thread that concerns me is peoples ability to give credence to so called "inside information". Without knowing where this tidbit came from I take it with a ton of salt.

As far as any Owner wanting input into decisions, would you if you owned the business? It's really that simple. And until I hear from MacPhail's mouth that Angelos is overruling him and it's affecting the Organization it's a moot point.

I understand where you're coming from, but when two staff members point out that the poster/insider is legit, then you should feel more inclined to believe it. Again, he has been verified by the staff.

[Sports Guy]

The part about this thread that concerns me is peoples ability to give credence to so called "inside information". Without knowing where this tidbit came from I take it with a ton of salt.

As far as any Owner wanting input into decisions, would you if you owned the business? It's really that simple. And until I hear from MacPhail's mouth that Angelos is overruling him and it's affecting the Organization it's a moot point.

How does the sand taste?

[TakebackOPACY]

The part about this thread that concerns me is peoples ability to give credence to so called "inside information". Without knowing where this tidbit came from I take it with a ton of salt.

As far as any Owner wanting input into decisions, would you if you owned the business? It's really that simple. And until I hear from MacPhail's mouth that Angelos is overruling him and it's affecting the Organization it's a moot point.

I understand where you're coming from, but when two staff members point out that the poster/insider is legit, then you should feel more inclined to believe it. Again, he has been verified by the staff.

I agree with Satyr, and that doesn't necessarily conflict with Greg's reply. If the OH staff confirms that 'Sailor Jerry' has an inside source, I believe that he has a source. That doesn't make all the information 100% reliable and correct. And since I'm getting the information third hand, I have no idea how much the filters of perception twist the information. I think we can all agree that it is occasionally rather easy to pick up on the opinions of certain insiders based on how they prevent their information.

Here is a perfect example. Belkast has some inside information, although not necessarily on this matter. And Belkast seems to be politely saying that he believes either Sailor Jerry's opinion or the opinion of Sailor Jerry's source has either twisted this information, or at least made it sound like it's a bigger deal than it is. I don't know who is right or wrong; chances are it's not that clear cut, anyway. Like everyone else who responds, my own personal views based on my personality and life experiences influence how I interpret this third hand insider information.

Unless MacPhail is going around telling people he wanted Stockstill fired, this particular information requires Sailor Jerry or his source to put two and two together to draw a conclusion. Maybe the conclusion is as obvious as Sailor Jerry makes it sound. Maybe it's not...

[Greg Pappas]

I agree with Satyr, and that doesn't necessarily conflict with Greg's reply. If the OH staff confirms that 'Sailor Jerry' has an inside source, I believe that he has a source. That doesn't make all the information 100% reliable and correct. And since I'm getting the information third hand, I have no idea how much the filters of perception twist the information. I think we can all agree that it is occasionally rather easy to pick up on the opinions of certain insiders based on how they prevent their information.

Here is a perfect example. Belkast has some inside information, although not necessarily on this matter. And Belkast seems to be politely saying that he believes either Sailor Jerry's opinion or the opinion of Sailor Jerry's source has either twisted this information, or at least made it sound like it's a bigger deal than it is. I don't know who is right or wrong; chances are it's not that clear cut, anyway. Like everyone else who responds, my own personal views based on my personality and life experiences influence how I interpret this third hand insider information.

Unless MacPhail is going around telling people he wanted Stockstill fired, this particular information requires Sailor Jerry or his source to put two and two together to draw a conclusion. Maybe the conclusion is as obvious as Sailor Jerry makes it sound. Maybe it's not...

Satyr said he couldn't understand how posters here could give credence to so-called 'inside information'. If staffers say the source is verifiable, then it's not "so-called". I just want to be clear that what I said was that one should be 'more inclined' to believe it, but whether or not one cares to believe or not is their choice certainly. I do follow your line of thinking in your post.

[Pruke]

I don't know what kind of 'reports' Stockstill fails to file, but I do know that we've had a rash of injuries related to obliques, tattered arms, etc...

Not saying it's Stockstill's fault - but we certainly have room to improve the overall developmental program within the organization.

I wonder if he was given international duties as a way to get him out of the room for a while.

I really don't know what to make of this thread's message as this stage. While it would not be shocking, I'm not ready to sign up for the McPhail's getting strong-armed into anything yet.

Let's see how this plays out - we're making progress as an organizational and as low hanging fruits get picked off quickly, we'll see how additional areas for improvement get addressed.