Olney on O’s losing

[Pickles]

7 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

Oh sorry, I read that as "his" team.

I  can not say with confidence that any GM would run Grayson out there when they were handed a team that was built to lose like this one is.

You know, Preller oversaw a lengthy rebuild himself right?

[Can_of_corn]

13 minutes ago, Pickles said:

You know, Preller oversaw a lengthy rebuild himself right?

He signed Machado a year early and specifically didn't game Tatis' clock.

They never lost 100 games under Preller.

[Pickles]

9 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

He signed Machado a year early and specifically didn't game Tatis' clock.

They never lost 100 games under Preller.

Right.

He oversaw a lengthy rebuild himself.

You suggesting the O's bring up Rodriguez now is akin to bringing up Tatis in 2017.  Which he didn't do, but in fact waited two more years.

There isn't a single good argument to be made for brining up Rodriguez now, or at any point this year.

[Can_of_corn]

4 minutes ago, Pickles said:

Right.

He oversaw a lengthy rebuild himself.

You suggesting the O's bring up Rodriguez now is akin to bringing up Tatis in 2017.  Which he didn't do, but in fact waited two more years.

There isn't a single good argument to be made for brining up Rodriguez now, or at any point this year.

I don't think it is at all fair to compare the Padres rebuild with what the Orioles have done. 

And I already said that yes, given the state Elias has the Orioles in, it doesn't make a lot of sense to bring up Rodriguez when he hasn't even been allowed to push himself this season.

I think that it is a pretty safe bet that if a different person had picked up the reins in 2019 that a scenario in which Rodriguez made his debut in 2021 would be more plausible.

Elias has had three years to make sure that Grayson and the Orioles are not in that position.

[Pickles]

3 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

I don't think it is at all fair to compare the Padres rebuild with what the Orioles have done. 

And I already said that yes, given the state Elias has the Orioles in, it doesn't make a lot of sense to bring up Rodriguez when he hasn't even been allowed to push himself this season.

I think that it is a pretty safe bet that if a different person had picked up the reins in 2019 that a scenario in which Rodriguez made his debut in 2021 would be more plausible.

Elias has had three years to make sure that Grayson and the Orioles are not in that position.

I agree with the bolded for multiple reasons.  One of which, Elias hasn't done a rebuild and Preller got to oversee one.  Big difference.

To your last point, when did a goal of the franchise become to get Grayson Rodriguez to the majors as fast as possible?

We should have just hired his mother then in 2018, and we'd probably be "successful."

[Can_of_corn]

1 minute ago, Pickles said:

I agree with the bolded for multiple reasons.  One of which, Elias hasn't done a rebuild and Preller got to oversee one.  Big difference.

To your last point, when did a goal of the franchise become to get Grayson Rodriguez to the majors as fast as possible?

We should have just hired his mother then in 2018, and we'd probably be "successful."

You say that no GM would promote him today.

The reason no GM would promote him today is that Elias has specifically engineered a situation in which to not bring him up.

Players like Rodriguez have certainly been developed in such a way that by the time they are 21 and in their fourth year of professional baseball they are pitching deeper than 80 pitches in AA.

[Pickles]

4 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

You say that no GM would promote him today.

The reason no GM would promote him today is that Elias has specifically engineered a situation in which to not bring him up.

Players like Rodriguez have certainly been developed in such a way that by the time they are 21 and in their fourth year of professional baseball they are pitching deeper than 80 pitches in AA.

Ignoring of course that the 21 year old lost a year of their development due to an unprecedented global pandemic.

And again, ignoring of course, that the goal of a franchise shouldn't be seeing how quickly they can devlop one particular prospect to the majors.

[eddie83]

45 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

He signed Machado a year early and specifically didn't game Tatis' clock.

They never lost 100 games under Preller.

Who cares? The Orioles lost 14 consecutive seasons and never lost 100. Did that make anyone feel any better.

[Can_of_corn]

9 minutes ago, Pickles said:

Ignoring of course that the 21 year old lost a year of their development due to an unprecedented global pandemic.

And again, ignoring of course, that the goal of a franchise shouldn't be seeing how quickly they can devlop one particular prospect to the majors.

Jose Fernandez, the 14th overall pick in the 2011 drafted out of High School was in the majors at 20 and threw for 172.2 innings.

That wasn't that long ago.

So there goes your pandemic argument.

[Can_of_corn]

2 minutes ago, eddie83 said:

Who cares? The Orioles lost 14 consecutive seasons and never lost 100. Did that make anyone feel any better.

The point was that the rebuild Preller was overseeing wasn't the type of burn everything to the ground rebuild the O's are undergoing.

The Padres never entered a season with the goal being picking as high as possible in the draft.

[Pickles]

1 minute ago, Can_of_corn said:

Jose Fernandez, the 14th overall pick in the 2011 drafted out of High School was in the majors at 20 and threw for 172.2 innings.

That wasn't that long ago.

So there goes your pandemic argument.

You're right.  Jose Fernandez went straight to the big leagues.  Which is of course proof that a pandemic did not indeed wipe out MiL baseball last year.

That's a really good point.

[Pickles]

Just now, Can_of_corn said:

The point was that the rebuild Preller was overseeing wasn't the type of burn everything to the ground rebuild the O's are undergoing.

The Padres never entered a season with the goal being picking as high as possible in the draft.

Has Elias burnt everything to the ground?

[Pickles]

4 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

Jose Fernandez, the 14th overall pick in the 2011 drafted out of High School was in the majors at 20 and threw for 172.2 innings.

That wasn't that long ago.

So there goes your pandemic argument.

BTW, how did leaping straight from A-ball to the Bigs work out for Jose Fernandez?

[Can_of_corn]

1 minute ago, Pickles said:

You're right.  Jose Fernandez went straight to the big leagues.  Which is of course proof that a pandemic did not indeed wipe out MiL baseball last year.

That's a really good point.

Huh?

Jose Fernandez didn't go straight to the big leagues.

Are you suggesting he was 20 when he was drafted out of HS?  Are you accusing him of falsifying his age?

WTH are you talking about?

Here, let me get you a link.

https://www.baseball-reference.com/register/player.fcgi?id=fernan009jos

[Can_of_corn]

1 minute ago, Pickles said:

BTW, how did leaping straight from A-ball to the Bigs work out for Jose Fernandez?

He won Rookie of the year.

He was an All Star.

Finished third in the Cy Young voting.