What would a successful 2022 season look like?

[Frobby]

Let’s put aside the question of what the rest of the offseason will look like, and whether next season will start on time.   My question is, what would need to happen in 2022 for you to feel that the season was a success?   Could be the W/L record, could be other things.   Could include things occurring below the major league level.   

For me, I’d define a 70+ win season as a success pretty much no matter how we got there.   That would tell me this team is getting ready to compete and the team should start acting accordingly with respect to bringing in outside talent for 2023.   

Short of 70 wins (and right now, I’m expecting them to be short), my main goal is to see major development among the young pitchers.   Last year’s team allowed 956 runs.   I’d like to see that reduced by 100+ runs next year, maybe even 150+.    That only happens if a few of our younger pitchers step up.  I don’t know which ones it will be (in another thread I guessed Lowther and maybe Akin, but those are guesses, not predictions), but it needs to happen.   And of course, we really need to see Grayson Rodriguez reach the majors and show signs of being a future ace.   

Among position players, I’d like to end 2022 feeling like I know who our SS is going to be over the next 5 years.   Could be that Mateo takes a big step forward, could be that Westburg or Henderson removes any doubt about their defensive chops while continuing to hit.   Or maybe Joey Ortiz surprises everyone.   

Of course, a successful debut by Rutschman is a must.   

In the minors, I’m hoping for some pitching breakouts.   

I consider 2021 to be a pretty disappointing season, mostly because of the pitching both in the majors and the minors.   Bottom line I need to see a lot more pitching in 2022 to consider the season successful.  
 

[sportsfan8703]

I think there’s a good chance the team could flirt with 70-92, but a good season for me will be if the team at the end of the year is much better than at the beginning. I think the pitching will ultimately hold this team back, but the position player group is getting really close. 
 

I’m predicting a breakout year for Hays in the Mullins type variety. Also, that Mateo and Urias are for real and can contribute to our next winning teams. Urias as starter and Mateo as at least a super sub ala Melvin Mora. 
 

I think there will be a lot of hope and optimism heading into the 2023 season. 

Edited December 26, 2021 by sportsfan8703

[wildcard]

I don't see how wins and loses are a meaningful measure if the O's trade players at the deadline.

[Can_of_corn]

Another #1 pick to keep the farm ranking up.

 

[forphase1]

Good question.  For me three things need to happen for it to be 'successful'.

1) The top prospects come up and produce well, namely AR and GRod, and possibly DL Hall.  I'll be very disappointing if AR looks lost at the plate or GRod gets knocked around.  Sure, I expect some growing pains, but overall I want them to hold their own against MLB talent.

2) SOME of the 'lesser' prospects/young guys take a solid step forward, especially some of the pitchers.  I'd LOVE to find a dependable 4th and 5th starter from among the group of young pitchers we have.  If we can do that then with Mean, GRod (see #1 above) and them we could have the makings of a decent starting pitching lineup, one that could be filled by other prospects stepping up (DL Hall) or filled with a veteran or two.  Of course this changes a bit if Means is traded.

3) Record improvement.  IF 1 and 2 happens, then this should be a natural impact.  I'd love to see a roughly .450 winning percentage, around 73 wins.  That's lofty given the past few years, but that's what I'd love to see.

 

2 out of 3 would be a good season.  3 out of 3 would be successful.  IMO.

[Aristotelian]

53 minutes ago, forphase1 said:

Good question.  For me three things need to happen for it to be 'successful'.

1) The top prospects come up and produce well, namely AR and GRod, and possibly DL Hall.  I'll be very disappointing if AR looks lost at the plate or GRod gets knocked around.  Sure, I expect some growing pains, but overall I want them to hold their own against MLB talent.

2) SOME of the 'lesser' prospects/young guys take a solid step forward, especially some of the pitchers.  I'd LOVE to find a dependable 4th and 5th starter from among the group of young pitchers we have.  If we can do that then with Mean, GRod (see #1 above) and them we could have the makings of a decent starting pitching lineup, one that could be filled by other prospects stepping up (DL Hall) or filled with a veteran or two.  Of course this changes a bit if Means is traded.

3) Record improvement.  IF 1 and 2 happens, then this should be a natural impact.  I'd love to see a roughly .450 winning percentage, around 73 wins.  That's lofty given the past few years, but that's what I'd love to see.

 

2 out of 3 would be a good season.  3 out of 3 would be successful.  IMO.

Good post. I agree more wins would be nice but player development is the top priority. I would also add to your list getting some return in trades for some of Mancini, Santander, possibly Means or Mullins. Not the top priority necessarily and not all have to be this season

[Frobby]

2 hours ago, wildcard said:

I don't see how wins and loses are a meaningful measure if the O's trade players at the deadline.

I don’t think any trades are likely to have a huge impact on the post-deadline W/L record.  I also think the strategy at the deadline could differ a bit depending on how much progress the team is making in the W/L department.  

[HowAboutThat]

I want respect. I want to beat the Yankees Red Sox Blue Jays in the season match up.

I want 75 wins or better.

I want Mike to flip the switch. Actually Mike flipping the switch is the number one thing I want:  everything else will happen. And if he doesn’t flip the switch, nothing will happen.

[HowAboutThat]

In addition to Rodriguez and AR, I want Stowers to come up and be blazing. 

[now]

4 hours ago, Frobby said:

Let’s put aside the question of what the rest of the offseason will look like, and whether next season will start on time.   My question is, what would need to happen in 2022 for you to feel that the season was a success?   Could be the W/L record, could be other things.   Could include things occurring below the major league level.   

For me, I’d define a 70+ win season as a success pretty much no matter how we got there.   That would tell me this team is getting ready to compete and the team should start acting accordingly with respect to bringing in outside talent for 2023.   

Short of 70 wins (and right now, I’m expecting them to be short), my main goal is to see major development among the young pitchers.   Last year’s team allowed 956 runs.   I’d like to see that reduced by 100+ runs next year, maybe even 150+.    That only happens if a few of our younger pitchers step up.  I don’t know which ones it will be (in another thread I guessed Lowther and maybe Akin, but those are guesses, not predictions), but it needs to happen.   And of course, we really need to see Grayson Rodriguez reach the majors and show signs of being a future ace.   

Among position players, I’d like to end 2022 feeling like I know who our SS is going to be over the next 5 years.   Could be that Mateo takes a big step forward, could be that Westburg or Henderson removes any doubt about their defensive chops while continuing to hit.   Or maybe Joey Ortiz surprises everyone.   

Of course, a successful debut by Rutschman is a must.   

In the minors, I’m hoping for some pitching breakouts.   

I consider 2021 to be a pretty disappointing season, mostly because of the pitching both in the majors and the minors.   Bottom line I need to see a lot more pitching in 2022 to consider the season successful.  
 

Have to agree with all of this except the bit about a 5-year shortstop. Can't see that happening with any of the pretenders in house, in terms of having the full SS package of glove and bat. (Though if it does, great!). BTW I like Kelvin Gutierrez for a solid dark-horse season. 

[Camden_yardbird]

For Elias to add any sustainable talent beyond his draft picks + continued development of existing stock. 

Instead of record I would ask, what percentage of a playoff roster has been built by the end of the year.  It should be approaching 25%-30% or more.

 

[PHRESH]

[OriolesMagic83]

6 hours ago, Frobby said:

Let’s put aside the question of what the rest of the offseason will look like, and whether next season will start on time.   My question is, what would need to happen in 2022 for you to feel that the season was a success?   Could be the W/L record, could be other things.   Could include things occurring below the major league level.   

For me, I’d define a 70+ win season as a success pretty much no matter how we got there.   That would tell me this team is getting ready to compete and the team should start acting accordingly with respect to bringing in outside talent for 2023.   

Short of 70 wins (and right now, I’m expecting them to be short), my main goal is to see major development among the young pitchers.   Last year’s team allowed 956 runs.   I’d like to see that reduced by 100+ runs next year, maybe even 150+.    That only happens if a few of our younger pitchers step up.  I don’t know which ones it will be (in another thread I guessed Lowther and maybe Akin, but those are guesses, not predictions), but it needs to happen.   And of course, we really need to see Grayson Rodriguez reach the majors and show signs of being a future ace.   

Among position players, I’d like to end 2022 feeling like I know who our SS is going to be over the next 5 years.   Could be that Mateo takes a big step forward, could be that Westburg or Henderson removes any doubt about their defensive chops while continuing to hit.   Or maybe Joey Ortiz surprises everyone.   

Of course, a successful debut by Rutschman is a must.   

In the minors, I’m hoping for some pitching breakouts.   

I consider 2021 to be a pretty disappointing season, mostly because of the pitching both in the majors and the minors.   Bottom line I need to see a lot more pitching in 2022 to consider the season successful.  
 

I don't know that a long term fix to SS is necessary, but a fix to one of the holes at 2B, SS, and 3B is needed.  The O's have to come up with an adequate solution to one of the SP spots (other than Means).  As mentioned, successful debuts are needed by Rutschmann and Gray Rod.  The O's need to have other prospects make their debuts even if in limited roles. 

Some improvement in the W/L record is needed for me to call the season a success.  I don't think you can call another 100 loss season a successful step in the rebuild.  I thought the goal was to win major league games, maybe I'm following the wrong team. 

[emmett16]

1. Adley & Grayson come up early, perform at a high level and leave us savoring for more in 2023.

2. One 'major' surprise from the SP field that doesn't include (Grayson, Hall, Bradish)

3. Moutcastle taking the next step towards an .850 OPSer while playing a better 1b than 2021.

4. Stowers makes his debut and solidifies his positions as starting corner OF in 2023 with a solid showing. 

5. Trade some redundancy at ML level to bolster the farm (Mancini & Santander) w/o the ML team missing a beat, perhaps improving via Stowers promotion and Mountcastle breakout.

6. Continued improvement on the farm from the top guys at the higher levels and "prospects to keep an eye out'' at the lower level.  

7. An international invasion to Low A & high A from our DSL players.  

 

If all 7 happen, I will be a happy happy man & might renew my season tickets after a 3 year absence.....  If top 4 happy I will consider the 2023 a success.  

[Sports Guy]

Angelos family selling the team.