Jordan Lyles 2022

[Ripken]

Yep, he still sucks.

[Bahama O's Fan]

Lyles worked fast and threw strikes early. He didn't fool anyone with his offspeed stuff so he had to go back to the fastball which they hit hard. He was ahead 0-2 on several batters nut couldn't put them away. Some balls were also hit in just the right holes.

[yark14]

You can insert Matt Harvey and the results will be identical.

[Frobby]

7 hours ago, yark14 said:

You can insert Matt Harvey and the results will be identical.

We may find out, now that Harvey has signed.   But I don’t think they will be.   in 2021:

Quality starts: Lyles 15, Harvey 5.

Starts of 7+ innings: Lyles 7, Harvey 0

Starts of 6+ innings: Lyles 20, Harvey 5

Starts of 5+ innings: Lyles  25, Harvey 11

Even though Lyles is a below average starter who I expect to produce a losing record, the innings he logs compared to Harvey have a cumulative effect on the bullpen and even the other starters.

[Going Underground]

Nathan Ruiz, Baltimore Sun:

Jordan Lyles' #Orioles debut was his 13th start since 2019 in which he lasted five or fewer innings, gave up five or more earned runs and allowed at least one home run. That’s tied for the most in the majors.

[interloper]

Can't really fault him for "just going 5" with the shortened spring. That's as long as anyone will be going for the first time through the rotation. His breaking balls weren't landing for strikes which was obvious if you watched the game, and he mentioned it himself afterwards. He'll have better ones.

[interloper]

7 hours ago, yark14 said:

You can insert Matt Harvey and the results will be identical.

Obviously not the case at all if you bothered to do any research whatsoever.

[Can_of_corn]

24 minutes ago, interloper said:

Can't really fault him for "just going 5" with the shortened spring. That's as long as anyone will be going for the first time through the rotation. His breaking balls weren't landing for strikes which was obvious if you watched the game, and he mentioned it himself afterwards. He'll have better ones.

Someone should tell the Padres, their starters have gone 6+ all three games.

Just checked, 14 starters have gone at least six.  34 games played so a bit more than 20% of Starters are going six or more.

 

 

Edited April 10, 2022 by Can_of_corn
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[wildcard]

Lyles said the 2 run homer that Mejia hit was right where Lyles wanted it.  Above the strike zone.   I think it was at least 4 inches above the strike zone and Mejia went up and got it.

[Tony-OH]

16 hours ago, DrungoHazewood said:

Jordan Lyles, most of the time he'll get you through the fifth without being mathematically eliminated from the game.

Sums up the Orioles starting pitching situation over the last 4 years pretty well. That's how low our expectations are.

[Tony-OH]

If you remember I went and researched what Lyles did differently in September and it was mostly the change in his slider. Here's what I wrote then:

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i had heard Elias said Lyles did something different in September and that's what they are banking on. Lyles pitched to a 2.87 ERA and 3.55 FIP over his 5 games holding batters to a .215/.292/.346/.638 slash.

So what did he do differently? 

Looking at Baseball Savant, it appears he dropped his fastball usage way down to 29.3% (47.4% in April) and replaced that with a sinker at 17.1% (1.5% in April).

But the biggest change was in his slider where he increased his horizontal movement to 15 inches in September, 3 inches more than in August and 9 inches more than in April. He accordingly increased the usage of his slider to 26.1% (17.8% in August). Batter slashed just .138/.145/.172/.255 against his slider in September. 

the effectiveness of his slider made all his pitches play up a bit as hard hit % and barrel% all went down and swing and miss went up significantly on the slider, curveball, cutter and change.

So if Lyle's slider is for real, the Orioles may have found themselves a bargain. 

So I looked over his statcast information for yesterday's start and it appears he's tweaked his slider even more, slowing it down almost 4 MPH (3.9) to 79.4 MPH but increased the Horizontal movement 5 inches and vertical by 8 inches. Basically he took a good hard late breaking slider (84 MPH) and turned it into more of a slurve.

He threw the pitch just 8 times, getting zero whiffs and only getting two called strikes, a foul ball and ball in play (88.1 EV). It appear he was struggling to locate the pitch very well batters seemed to pick it up pretty well and did not chase.

He's what it looked like: https://www.mlb.com/video/00u7jzgkdtP9kH55c356/reels/lyles-slider-in-2022-opening-day

His changeup yesterday was his best pitch and it had 2 inches more vertical and 3 inches more horizontal movement than last year. Here's what it looked like: https://www.mlb.com/video/00u7jzgkdtP9kH55c356/reels/lyles-changeup-opening-day-2022

So the biggest takeaway I have of his first start is he only used his "new" weapon only 10% of the time after using it 26.1% last September when he was very effective.

Maybe this was just a case of him not really having his command of one of his better pitches. Or maybe this is a case of him tinkering with the pitch to get more movement but he's struggling to command that movement? 

I guess we'll see what he looks like the next time out.

[Il BuonO]

Lyles looked good tonight and relied heavily upon the sinker to do it.

5.1 IP

1 ER

6 H 

4 SO

2 BB

ERA 5.23

[OsFanSinceThe80s]

2 minutes ago, Il BuonO said:

Lyles looked good tonight and relied heavily upon the sinker to do it.

5.1 IP

1 ER

6 H 

4 SO

2 BB

ERA 5.23

Good start I wasn't expecting that against the Yankees. 

[Frobby]

Tate helped him out with that GIDP.   But yes, he gave us a chance to win the game, and we did, despite not RISPing.  

[jabba72]

ERA down to 3.52 after his 3rd start tonight. No runs 6 K's 1 BB through 5 innings. I was in favor of this signing, and so far he's exceeded my expectations. I think some others may be eating some crow. Long season still.