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It strikes me as a pretty clever resolution.   If the O’s don’t exercise the option, they end up paying him $7.75 mm.   If they exercise it but Mancini rejects it, then it’s $7.5 mm.  And of course, t

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Optics.   Oh... It allows them to effectively defer 250k.

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1 minute ago, Richmond Bird 9 said:

HE and his girlfriend spent the winter in California. ""IF"" he is traded to a California team, he then would make it easier to p/u the mutual option (just reading the tea leaves)

On his end sure.  But the other team needs to pick it up as well. Mancini said this morning that he knows it’s rare that both sides pick up an option.

The cynic in me says it’s crucial because they don’t have to pay the extra 250k right now but I would really hope that’s not the case.

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On his end sure.  But the other team needs to pick it up as well. Mancini said this morning that he knows it’s rare that both sides pick up an option.

The cynic in me says it’s crucial because they don’t have to pay the extra 250k right now but I would really hope that’s not the case.

I think we all know it’s so that another team pays the 250k when he’s traded. Not a penny they won’t pinch. 

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23 minutes ago, waroriole said:

I think we all know it’s so that another team pays the 250k when he’s traded. Not a penny they won’t pinch. 

Right. This level of penny-pinching is concerning, but something tells me it's less about the Orioles' desire to be cheap than it is about it being somebody's job to make sure players get the least amount of money possible, like from a CBA-level standpoint. I'm not sure arbitration is really all that much to do with the Orioles ownership specifically. At least that's the vibe that Elias gave in an interview a few weeks ago. 

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On his end sure.  But the other team needs to pick it up as well. Mancini said this morning that he knows it’s rare that both sides pick up an option.

The cynic in me says it’s crucial because they don’t have to pay the extra 250k right now but I would really hope that’s not the case.

I think it’s basically a way of allowing each side to feel like they didn’t give in.  

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Right. This level of penny-pinching is concerning, but something tells me it's less about the Orioles' desire to be cheap than it is about it being somebody's job to make sure players get the least amount of money possible, like from a CBA-level standpoint. I'm not sure arbitration is really all that much to do with the Orioles ownership specifically. At least that's the vibe that Elias gave in an interview a few weeks ago. 

It seems like this could also be the Baseball Economics Analyst position guy we hired doing his job.   

I agree with Rob mutual options are mostly window-dressing unless you really have some inside baseball insight to player's personal lives.    I guess if Trey has a 2022 precisely between his 48th and 52nd percentile both parties might just say Good.   

Sounds nice in a Tweet, though.

 

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I heard there is only $400,000 between the Orioles and Means and they appear to be going to the hearing. Embarrassing that the Orioles would be so cheap as to drag their best pitcher through an arb hearing over such a small amount. Heard Means isn’t thrilled about the situation. They must be planning to trade him and are not worried about long term implications. 

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I heard there is only $400,000 between the Orioles and Means and they appear to be going to the hearing. Embarrassing that the Orioles would be so cheap as to drag their best pitcher through an arb hearing over such a small amount. Heard Means isn’t thrilled about the situation. They must be planning to trade him and are not worried about long term implications. 

Yea that’s not accurate at all.

 

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I heard there is only $400,000 between the Orioles and Means and they appear to be going to the hearing. Embarrassing that the Orioles would be so cheap as to drag their best pitcher through an arb hearing over such a small amount. Heard Means isn’t thrilled about the situation. They must be planning to trade him and are not worried about long term implications. 

The White Sox are going to arbitration with Giolito over $200,000.   I don’t think the O’s should be embarrassed, though I do think they could lose the case.  I’m in the middle of studying a bunch of comps.   This case is tricky because Means has had very good results but has pitched far fewer innings than most pitchers with 3 years of service.   I will start a new thread about the merits of the Arb case once I’m through studying the comps.   But I would like to see it settled because I don’t think either side has a clear winner.  

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The White Sox are going to arbitration with Giolito over $200,000.   I don’t think the O’s should be embarrassed, though I do think they could lose the case.  I’m in the middle of studying a bunch of comps.   This case is tricky because Means has had very good results but has pitched far fewer innings than most pitchers with 3 years of service.   I will start a new thread about the merits of the Arb case once I’m through studying the comps.   But I would like to see it settled because I don’t think either side has a clear winner.  

Just split it in half and call it a day. The payroll is nothing….$400,000 in baseball money is like a few thousand pay raise in the real world. Why cause problems with your best pitcher. I really don’t care what the White Sox are doing. 

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Yea that’s not accurate at all.

 

Really?

 

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Means reportedly filed at $3.1 million, compared with the club’s offer of $2.7 million. It’s not immediately clear how 


 

https://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/orioles/bs-sp-orioles-arbitration-john-means-trey-mancini-20220323-2i6pcl45bzcq3binhmxtmigbym-story.html

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Really?

 

From the Baltimore Sun

 


 

https://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/orioles/bs-sp-orioles-arbitration-john-means-trey-mancini-20220323-2i6pcl45bzcq3binhmxtmigbym-story.html

That’s not what I’m saying is inaccurate.  It’s most of the rest of your post that isn’t accurate and lacks understanding of the arb process.  That 400k could mean millions of dollar over the next few years. 

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