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If it were up to me, the rotation heading into the season would have been Means, Stroman/ERod, Lopez (from Miami) and 2 of GRod/Bradish/ZImmerman. 
 

I don’t really care if Wells gets his chance to start or any of the other myriad of guys get their chance immediately.  You won’t have the same 5 starters start 30 games, so you have plenty of starts out there for the other guys to show their stuff.

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In another headscrather, Elias decides to add Marcos Diplan to the roster, but instead of DFAing Travis Lakins, these option Wells who actually provided some decent relief and is a good bulk releiver

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I think this is just Wells emptied his tank and we're maximizing the roster spot tonight. If Tampa has taught us anything, it is that your pitching staff is like seven keepers and seven other guy

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Essentially, I think several members of this board are "over" an entire group of O's "prospects" that are now in their mid-20's and have bounced back and forth between MLB and Triple-A. This is the gr

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4 minutes ago, OsFanSinceThe80s said:

It's moves like signing Odor that leave me scratching my head more than not signing any legitimate veteran pitchers to fill out the staring rotation. Ok so the Orioles aren't going to try and win this year, but then you sign veteran retreads like Odor to takeaway at bats from younger players.

While most of the Orioles on the current MLB roster aren't going to be around when/if the team starts winning again the same can be said about Odor. So why not let a younger player get those at bats and see if they play above expectations. It's not likely, but maybe a Jahmai Jones surprises and ends up playing for the Orioles the next five seasons.

Unless Odor has some mid-career renaissance we know what he is and it's not a player who will get meaningful at bats on a playoff contender. 

Odor is easy.  They added a "major leaguer" to the roster for the minimum.

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12 minutes ago, seak05 said:

Essentially, I think several members of this board are "over" an entire group of O's "prospects" that are now in their mid-20's and have bounced back and forth between MLB and Triple-A. This is the group that Elias said had to step up, but many members here would just like to see replaced. Diplan, Akin, Bauman, A. Wells, Zimmerman, T. Wells, Matteo (basically most of the team) is all mid-20's. Given the struggles they've had in the majors over the last year or two, I get the sentiment. Cortes is a good example though of a guy who just needed some more time, and is now proving to be very good. Patience is sometimes rewarded 

I'd argue that Cortes needed a change of scenery, too.  Sometimes that has to happen as well, which is an obvious statement coming from an Orioles fan who's thinking about Gausman and Arrieta.

In regards to the Bad News Orioles that you listed, yep, I am "over" those "prospects."  

That doesn't mean that they can't be tried out in the bullpen, that's fine.  Akin has looked good there so far.  But by and large, yes, I'm over them.  I can't even keep Bauman and Zimmermann straight because they've not given me a reason to do so.  

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1 minute ago, wildcard said:

I can't complain about Watkins being in the rotation until Grayson and Bradish are promoted. The only reason Watkins is getting a chance is because, Means and  Kremer got hurt and Lowther has shown almost nothing this spring.    Watkins was a fall back depth piece sign to a AAA contract that Elias kept around just in case, and the case happened.

According to the reports, Watkins was picked to start before Kremer got injured. Not sure if that was more because of Watkins or Kremer pitching himself out of the rotation but it wasn't the injury.

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12 minutes ago, Moose Milligan said:

wildcard, king of the small sample size.  

Everything about this season is SSS.  You can complain about ir or try to look on the bright side which it would kill many of you to do.

I think wallowing in negativity is a speciality of many instead on looking a how well the O's  have pitched so far and knowing that some real prospects are on the verge on coming up to help.

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3 minutes ago, Aristotelian said:

According to the reports, Watkins was picked to start before Kremer got injured. Not sure if that was more because of Watkins or Kremer pitching himself out of the rotation but it wasn't the injury.

I didn't say Watkins was signed because of an injury.  He was signed for depth and promoted because of the injuries.  That should be pretty clear to everyone.

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Everything about this season is SSS.  You can complain about ir or try to look on the bright side which it would kill many of you to do.

I think wallowing in negativity is a speciality of many instead on looking a how well the O's  have pitched so far and knowing that some real prospects are on the verge on coming up to help.

Just because I called you out for loving small sample sizes means I'm being negative in this one specific case.  

Sure, they've done well this year so far.  Doesn't mean that they're going to keep continuing to do so.  Can they really have the 5th ranked bullpen in all of MLB for an entire season?  It's possible.

Is it likely?  No.  But what do I know?  I'm too busy wallowing in negativity here.

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I didn't say Watkins was signed because of an injury.  He was signed for depth and promoted because of the injuries.  That should be pretty clear to everyone.

What’s clear is that he was promoted over better players and that the Os failed miserably as getting better options in the offseason.

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4 minutes ago, wildcard said:

Everything about this season is SSS.  You can complain about ir or try to look on the bright side which it would kill many of you to do.

I think wallowing in negativity is a speciality of many instead on looking a how well the O's  have pitched so far and knowing that some real prospects are on the verge on coming up to help.

Yes you are right.  We should only look at the one good start and not the one bad start and based off of that start, proclaim that the rotation is going to be good.  
 

We should also ignore recent trends and historical trends and just assume that everything will be good. 
 

Definitely the way to go!

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19 minutes ago, seak05 said:

Essentially, I think several members of this board are "over" an entire group of O's "prospects" that are now in their mid-20's and have bounced back and forth between MLB and Triple-A. This is the group that Elias said had to step up, but many members here would just like to see replaced. Diplan, Akin, Bauman, A. Wells, Zimmerman, T. Wells, Matteo (basically most of the team) is all mid-20's. Given the struggles they've had in the majors over the last year or two, I get the sentiment. Cortes is a good example though of a guy who just needed some more time, and is now proving to be very good. Patience is sometimes rewarded 

The thing is for some of the pitchers you identified, they have gotten so little time in the majors you can't really make an evaluation.

I mean Mike Baumann has thrown 12.2 major league innings, A. Wells just 44.2.  Heck, even the seasoned vet of the group (Akin) is only at 126.1 IP.  I'd like to see more before just giving up and replacing him.  If we did that, I'm confident those posters advocating for giving up on some of those guys would be the first ones to be all up in arms that they found success elsewhere and we didn't stick with them. 

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2 minutes ago, Big Mac said:

The thing is for some of the pitchers you identified, they have gotten so little time in the majors you can't really make an evaluation.

I mean Mike Baumann has thrown 12.2 major league innings, A. Wells just 44.2.  Heck, even the seasoned vet of the group (Akin) is only at 126.1 IP.  I'd like to see more before just giving up and replacing him.  If we did that, I'm confident those posters advocating for giving up on some of those guys would be the first ones to be all up in arms that they found success elsewhere and we didn't stick with them. 

And those innings were thrown to Severino and Sisco, ouch! I'm with you, I would prefer to give those guys some actual time and innings this year, to see if any of them can be pieces moving forward. As opposed to signing injury prone 36 year olds, or Odor. 

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14 minutes ago, Sports Guy said:

What’s clear is that he was promoted over better players and that the Os failed miserably as getting better options in the offseason.

I think anyone that has followed the O's for the last few years knew that Grayson and Bradish were going to spend at least a month in AAA before being called up.  Many predicted much longer.    So that Watkins is the depth piece that is starting because some that were planned to start can't (Means, Kremer, Lowther)  is no surprise.

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16 minutes ago, Sports Guy said:

Yes you are right.  We should only look at the one good start and not the one bad start and based off of that start, proclaim that the rotation is going to be good.  
 

We should also ignore recent trends and historical trends and just assume that everything will be good. 
 

Definitely the way to go!

Some balanced posts would be welcome.  Not just bad mouthing everything and digging a hole and pull the dirt in over top.

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3 minutes ago, wildcard said:

I think anyone that has followed the O's for the last few years knew that Grayson and Bradish were going to spend at least a month in AAA before being called up.  Many predicted much longer.    So that Watkins is the depth piece that is starting because some that were planned to start can't (Means, Kremer, Lowther)  is no surprise.

The discussion is about whether or not it’s a surprise.  It’s about whether or Not it’s the right decision.

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