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5 minutes ago, Sports Guy said:

Elias absolutely gets some credit for getting some guys in here who are performing and, theoretically, some of the programs that have instituted are helping.

Still, they are 23rd in the league in winning%, so it’s not like he built the ‘27 Yankees.

My comment was a bit tongue in cheek because we have trouble seeing the positive and easily focus on the critiques.  Leadership is easy to second guess all day long.

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10 hours ago, Sports Guy said:

He is so under appreciated by this fan base.

I'm willing to admit that I've been wrong about him if you figure he's literally been told not to try to win games in the past. Yesterday was great in-game management. Also good and timely execution by the players (Hays' 9th inning hit, Perez continued to pitch extremely well, and Santander may well have saved the game in the top of the 11th), but everything noted in this thread so far is worthy of praise for Hyde. If he's truly been handcuffed all this time, I'd be excited to see what he does when he's allowed to go all in.

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Just now, Sanfran327 said:

I'm willing to admit that I've been wrong about him if you figure he's literally been told not to try to win games in the past. Yesterday was great in-game management. Also good and timely execution by the players (Hays' 9th inning hit, Perez continued to pitch extremely well, and Santander may well have saved the game in the top of the 11th), but everything noted in this thread so far is worthy of praise for Hyde. If he's truly been handcuffed all this time, I'd be excited to see what he does when he's allowed to go all in.

Well, he’s not being told to not manage to win games.  But he’s being told to build a house with no workers and limited materials and tools.  
 

When myself or anyone else talks  about losing on purpose, it has nothing to do with the players or the manager. It never has.  Of course they are trying but they are running the 100M dash with their legs tied together.  Doesn’t mean they aren’t trying but they just can’t keep up.

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44 minutes ago, Sports Guy said:

Well, he’s not being told to not manage to win games.  But he’s being told to build a house with no workers and limited materials and tools.  
 

When myself or anyone else talks  about losing on purpose, it has nothing to do with the players or the manager. It never has.  Of course they are trying but they are running the 100M dash with their legs tied together.  Doesn’t mean they aren’t trying but they just can’t keep up.

Honestly, I could go either way. We've seen enough of Hyde to know he's had more clunkers than games like yesterday. Instances where he could have pinch hit for someone with a much greater chance at executing in a big moment and things of that nature. Nobody is perfect, but some of those things felt like common sense. I'd prefer to think he's been told to throttle back in the past. It would give me a much higher opinion of him anyway. That's part of tanking, after all.

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5 minutes ago, Sanfran327 said:

Honestly, I could go either way. We've seen enough of Hyde to know he's had more clunkers than games like yesterday. Instances where he could have pinch hit for someone with a much greater chance at executing in a big moment and things of that nature. Nobody is perfect, but some of those things felt like common sense. I'd prefer to think he's been told to throttle back in the past. It would give me a much higher opinion of him anyway. That's part of tanking, after all.

Ehh, I think it’s common sense when you can bring a player off the bench who is actually good.  But when it’s a decision between Odor or Owings, you really are screwed either way.  
 

 

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3 hours ago, Aristotelian said:

I can't remember the Orioles ever losing the DH. In addition to the constraints the team faced in this game, Palmer and Brown noted how he made several moves that paid off, bringing in Hays for Chirinos, pinch running McKenna etc.

Gregg Olson got an AB back in 1993 when the DH had to play a position.  He struck out.

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9 hours ago, Sports Guy said:

Elias absolutely gets some credit for getting some guys in here who are performing and, theoretically, some of the programs that have instituted are helping.

Still, they are 23rd in the league in winning%, so it’s not like he built the ‘27 Yankees.

More like the ‘67 Yankees.   

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