Keep Mancini Thread

[Sports Guy]

10 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

I think I have as many as Buck.

And you have no losses too.  

[Just Regular]

Last year for Soler the Royals got a college reliever who'd received a 350k bonus.

Because I don't have Mike Elias' job and am sentimental about these orange laundry wearers I've gone as far as to suggest (if the team had been as bad as expected) we should DFA Mancini as a kindness to him so he could have some agency in choosing which genuine contender to go have a 118 OPS+ for.

I think Moose has it right that if I put myself in Trey's shoes, a 15% chance here after 8/2 might mean more than a 60% chance somewhere else.

We could use some fast-moving college relievers to switch weeks with Joey Krehbiel next year though...

[scbalt52]

We could trade Mancini, but we are not desperate to trade Mancini. That is how I view it. I don't think he has even half the value to the rest of the MLB that most think. So I don't think he will go anywhere until the end of the year. I even think it would be fine to sign him for 3-4 years, if he truly wants to stay.

[NelsonCruuuuuz]

36 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

I think I have as many as Buck.

You don’t like Buck???

[MarCakes21]

So let's say it takes 3/$36 or so to extend Mancini, some combination of a discount for us and good will for him.  

And let's say he could get you some teams no. 10 prospect.

Do you make that deal?  Do you assume that Stowers can produce at OPS+ levels at or near Mancini for league min over the next 3 years at the same time?  If not, a year later your looking at trying to patch work your DH slot.  Why not take out some of the future risk with a minimal deal through his prime years.  

[Can_of_corn]

35 minutes ago, NelsonCruuuuuz said:

You don’t like Buck???

Buck's fine.

Just overrated, as pretty much all "name" managers are.

[Sports Guy]

11 minutes ago, MarCakes21 said:

So let's say it takes 3/$36 or so to extend Mancini, some combination of a discount for us and good will for him.  

And let's say he could get you some teams no. 10 prospect.

Do you make that deal?  Do you assume that Stowers can produce at OPS+ levels at or near Mancini for league min over the next 3 years at the same time?  If not, a year later your looking at trying to patch work your DH slot.  Why not take out some of the future risk with a minimal deal through his prime years.  

3 years is a definitive no way.

 

[jabba72]

If the return is good you trade him, if not, hold onto him. Pretty sure I read somewhere if he finishes the year strong he is declining the team option. 

[survivedc]

31 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

Buck's fine.

Just overrated, as pretty much all "name" managers are.

What about Joe “Genius” Maddon

[MarCakes21]

22 minutes ago, Sports Guy said:

3 years is a definitive no way.

 

Why?  Don't think he'd produce at 2 WAR for 3 years?  Anything credible?  He's only 31 at the start of next year, so we'd have him in his 31-33 ages.

[Can_of_corn]

3 minutes ago, survivedc said:

What about Joe “Genius” Maddon

Joe "Unemployed" Maddon?

I think it's mostly about talent.

That being said, TLR is doing a heck of a job sabotaging the White Sox.

[Roll Tide]

5 minutes ago, MarCakes21 said:

Why?  Don't think he'd produce at 2 WAR for 3 years?  Anything credible?  He's only 31 at the start of next year, so we'd have him in his 31-33 ages.

I don’t think he’s getting 3/36 from anyone. I think he’d take 3/24. He might not find anything better.

[Frobby]

1 hour ago, NelsonCruuuuuz said:

That’s definitely fair. I’d do it for a comp pick, wouldn’t you? Doubt we get that though.

Round A (picks 33-39), or Round B (67-74)?

For what it’s, worth, 50% of players picked 33-39 have reached the majors the average value of a 33-39 pick is 3.3 rWAR.   41% of players picked 67-74 have reached the majors, and the average pick in that range is worth 2.6 rWAR.

Logic tells you that Trey Mancini is not going to be worth 2.6 rWAR in the final two months of 2022.    Therefore, yes you’d trade him for the comp pick regardless of whether it’s Round A or B, unless you think there’s a significant chance that he helps to get the O’s to the playoffs this year.   

[NelsonCruuuuuz]

27 minutes ago, Frobby said:

Round A (picks 33-39), or Round B (67-74)?

For what it’s, worth, 50% of players picked 33-39 have reached the majors the average value of a 33-39 pick is 3.3 rWAR.   41% of players picked 67-74 have reached the majors, and the average pick in that range is worth 2.6 rWAR.

Logic tells you that Trey Mancini is not going to be worth 2.6 rWAR in the final two months of 2022.    Therefore, yes you’d trade him for the comp pick regardless of whether it’s Round A or B, unless you think there’s a significant chance that he helps to get the O’s to the playoffs this year.   

Nice research! Agree, doubt we get that but you know Elias would pull the trigger on that deal. 

[MarCakes21]

1 hour ago, Roll Tide said:

I don’t think he’s getting 3/36 from anyone. I think he’d take 3/24. He might not find anything better.

Mark Canha says hi.  2 years old, similar defense profile, worse hitter.