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3 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

MLB doesn't want to do that.

All sorts of guys might start testing positive for things if they improve their testing.

Right now they get a couple foreign born players test positive every year and it looks like they are doing something.

I’m sure you have some evidence for this. Oh wait, of course you don’t. 

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As it stands right now: Rutschman: .302/.420/.722 for 104 OPS+ and  Witt: .299/.450/.749 for 109 OPS+ Despite fairly close hitting statistics, including positional relativity and defens

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My disagreement with you comes from the way you express yourself.  Everything that isn’t perfect is “awful” or “lazy.”  Decisions you disagree with are “stupid” or “moronic.”   Some things have m

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I think both will be very good players.  I think age and position mean that the bulk of AR best years will be while under Oriole control.  Could he play 10 years of peak ball?  Perhaps.  Witt, will li

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1 minute ago, dystopia said:

I’m sure you have some evidence for this. Oh wait, of course you don’t. 

Of course I don't.  Where could I possibly get evidence?  We do know that they couldn't detect the stuff Balco was selling.

Do you think professional sports are essentially clean of performance enhancing drugs?

We've seen nothing from any of the leagues to think they really care about it.

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9 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

Of course I don't.  Where could I possibly get evidence?  We do know that they couldn't detect the stuff Balco was selling.

Do you think professional sports are essentially clean of performance enhancing drugs?

We've seen nothing from any of the leagues to think they really care about it.

My understanding is that it is very easy to make "designer" synthetic anabolic steroids that don't trigger the current test positive.  

 

Now are players using?  Completely unknown at this time.  We don't know what we don't know...   I do wish MLB had access to a more sensitive assay though...

 

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Witt is a fantastic player and you can make an argument that he is better than both Adley and Gunnar.  But I don’t think you can make a persuasive argument the O’s should have drafted him and made the team better.  Obviously hindsight is 20-20 but that draft was a masterpiece.  In addition to Adley and Gunnar we got a piece that netted us Burnes and a potential everyday OFer.  I don’t think this team is where it is today w/o Adley.  

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2 minutes ago, emmett16 said:

Witt is a fantastic player and you can make an argument that he is better than both Adley and Gunnar.  But I don’t think you can make a persuasive argument the O’s should have drafted him and made the team better.  Obviously hindsight is 20-20 but that draft was a masterpiece.  In addition to Adley and Gunnar we got a piece that netted us Burnes and a potential everyday OFer.  I don’t think this team is where it is today w/o Adley.  

Agree with this.  This would be more of a concern if they hadn't drafted Gunnar.  I understand Gunnar could play third, but I will take Westburg, Gunnar, Mateo and Adley vs. Gunnar, Witt, Westburg + trade for a catcher.  This is especially the case since next year it will be Holliday in that Mateo spot.

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In a vacuum it’s Witt, but for the Os specifically it’s still Adley. This is because Adley is the leader of this team. Gunnar is the most talented, but Adley sets the tone and has since day 1, which has been well documented. The Royals have a similar situation because they already had a leader in Perez, with WitT being the superior talent that doesn’t have to worry about being the leader, for now at least. 
 

Yea that’s more of a subjective type thing, leadership, but that doesn’t make it less real. Fortunately there is more to building a team than just looking at WAR and other stats. All very valuable and important, but there is more to it (plus Adley is pretty damn good in most stats anyway!)

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Adley does so many of the little things. He has amazing offense for a catcher but that by itself wouldn’t explain his enormous WAR which is 12.2 in a hair over two seasons worth of ABs.

it took Witt a while to get going but the Royals are happy with him.

Echoing what @Can_of_cornsaid, I only wish we could have kept Jonah Heim, though he didn’t blossom until he got to Texas. Still, he’d be a splendid partner with AR.

Meanwhile, I’m happy with how things are.

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1 hour ago, Can_of_corn said:

Of course I don't.  Where could I possibly get evidence?  We do know that they couldn't detect the stuff Balco was selling.

Do you think professional sports are essentially clean of performance enhancing drugs?

We've seen nothing from any of the leagues to think they really care about it.

Professional *sports*? No, of course not, but I think if baseball still had a steroid problem it would be pretty noticeable. Bonds ballooned like a whale when he took the stuff. Offense across the league soared. Players were cranking out 50, 60 dingers a year. Why isn’t that happening now if players are still using roids?

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Professional *sports*? No, of course not, but I think if baseball still had a steroid problem it would be pretty noticeable. Bonds ballooned like a whale when he took the stuff. Offense across the league soared. Players were cranking out 50, 60 dingers a year. Why isn’t that happening now if players are still using roids?

Because the ball isn’t as juiced.

PEDs have been in the game for 100 years. There is no doubt players are doing something.

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Because the ball isn’t as juiced.

PEDs have been in the game for 100 years. There is no doubt players are doing something.

That’s just speculation. So is the second part, but not as much. Really depends on what qualifies as “something”.  

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That’s just speculation. So is the second part, but not as much. Really depends on what qualifies as “something”.  

Here is what is 100% true.  When a lot of money and/or power is at stake, people do whatever they can to cut corners to achieve those things.

I don’t care what industry it is.

The players are doing something. Maybe it’s legal, maybe it’s not but they are doing something.

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That’s just speculation. So is the second part, but not as much. Really depends on what qualifies as “something”.  

It's not just speculation.

You got folks testing balls every season.

We know, for instance, that MLB was giving Judge hot balls when he was gunning for the HR record.  Folks acquired balls from those games and tested them.

 

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4 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

It's not just speculation.

You got folks testing balls every season.

We know, for instance, that MLB was giving Judge hot balls when he was gunning for the HR record.  Folks acquired balls from those games and tested them.

 

Ball tester? Get Moose an application!

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