Any Interesting Non-Tenders

[Bahama O's Fan]

From other teams today that we might have interest in?

[Camden Yards]

Cody Bellinger, Jorge Alfaro as a backup catcher, and how healthy is Alex Reyes?

[Just Regular]

Just seeing the Jays passed on Raimel Tapia, guess that will add to their Nimmo rumors.

With Merrifield and Espinal now both first string in Roster Resource's guess, it is nine RH bats for their lineup.    Not all of them are Vlad.

[ShoelesJoe]

I was intrigued by Luke Voit, but his numbers against LH pitching this season were horrific. Anybody know if that was possibly just a one year blip? 

[tabletop]

Alex Reyes and Anthony Gose are two relievers I would be interested in. They both had issues with walks last season and we've seen this regime help out similar talents.

[OsFanSinceThe80s]

1 hour ago, ShoelesJoe said:

I was intrigued by Luke Voit, but his numbers against LH pitching this season were horrific. Anybody know if that was possibly just a one year blip? 

Voit's career OPS against LHP is .768 which includes his horrific .569 OPS in 2022 versus LHP. But, I don't see the Orioles really having a need for a 1B/DH type player unless they trade a Mountcastle or other player(s) to free up at bats. 

I'm not in favor of taking a flyer on Voit because he's going to be 32 years old and his OPS has trended downwards the last  two seasons. Also players with his body type (6'3" & 255 lbs) don't tend to age well and can hit the wall real fast. 

Alfaro does intrigue me as an option for backup catcher considering Elias is not going to ride Adley hard like the O's did with Wieters. Chirinos is just too old now and too much of blackhole offensively even by backup catcher standards. 

Edited November 19, 2022 by OsFanSinceThe80s

[orioles119]

Alfaro has flexibility to play C and OF and his bat plays in short spurts.  I would pursue him at most.  A move for Bellinger is what the old O's would do - probably not part of the new mindset that hopefully in play at the moment.

[RZNJ]

47 minutes ago, tabletop said:

Alex Reyes and Anthony Gose are two relievers I would be interested in. They both had issues with walks last season and we've seen this regime help out similar talents.

I like Gose but he’ll miss next year after TJ surgery.

[OsFanSinceThe80s]

9 minutes ago, orioles119 said:

Alfaro has flexibility to play C and OF and his bat plays in short spurts.  I would pursue him at most.  A move for Bellinger is what the old O's would do - probably not part of the new mindset that hopefully in play at the moment.

Unless the Orioles braintrust thinks they can fix whatever is wrong with Bellinger he's a hard pass. And you're correct this is totally a player the O's would take a chance on before Elias. 

[Tony-OH]

11 minutes ago, OsFanSinceThe80s said:

Unless the Orioles braintrust thinks they can fix whatever is wrong with Bellinger he's a hard pass. And you're correct this is totally a player the O's would take a chance on before Elias. 

Bellinger is the poster child for being very careful when you consider giving a long contract to a young player. Who would have thought this guy would be non-tendered by 27 years old after the way he hit at 23?

[OsFanSinceThe80s]

16 minutes ago, Tony-OH said:

Bellinger is the poster child for being very careful when you consider giving a long contract to a young player. Who would have thought this guy would be non-tendered by 27 years old after the way he hit at 23?

As a fan that would be even worse than the Chris Davis contract. It's generally considered a good move when you sign a young pre-free agent player to an early contract extension. 

But imagine if it blew up in your team's face like how Bellinger has gone from an MVP to a non-tender. That would even be worse seeing your young star expected to be an all star player the next decade almost out of baseball just a few years later.

It's definitely a risk because younger players don't start getting expensive until their arbitration years. That said I would love to hear breaking news on Adley signing a contract this winter and throw in Gunnar for good measure. Maybe it's a little soon on Gunnar, but everything about him screams future star and five tool player.  

Edited November 19, 2022 by OsFanSinceThe80s

[Brion McClanahan]

19 minutes ago, Tony-OH said:

Bellinger is the poster child for being very careful when you consider giving a long contract to a young player. Who would have thought this guy would be non-tendered by 27 years old after the way he hit at 23?

Yes, which is why I think the Orioles will wait at least one more year before locking up either AR or GH, though I could see Henderson rejecting a long term deal due to his agent.

Franco's situation is also a warning against young players getting long term deals.

[OsFanSinceThe80s]

Any chance the Orioles look at Erick Fedde? The Nats non-tendering him and the O's were able to fix another ex-Nat in Austin Voth.  

Plus it would give me the added pleasure as O's fan poaching another pitcher the Nats failed to develop.

Nationals Planning To Non-Tender Luke Voit, Erick Fedde

 

[btdart20]

7 hours ago, OsFanSinceThe80s said:

Unless the Orioles braintrust thinks they can fix whatever is wrong with Bellinger he's a hard pass. And you're correct this is totally a player the O's would take a chance on before Elias. 

IMO, hard pass is too extreme.  The issue is that there will be a line of teams hoping to catch lightning in a bottle and will likely be willing to give him more money than is reasonable.  But what's reasonable when 40 HR is at stake?  Lefties with power play well anywhere.  Contact though... well that's why he was non-tendered.  

Crunch the numbers, set a price target, and stick to it.

[Moose Milligan]

It's a hard pass because, IIRC, his issues are injuries.  He didn't suddenly just lose it like Chris Davis did.  

I'm sure he'll get an ST invite to somewhere like Oakland but I think he's a hard pass here for what we're trying to do.  He doesn't fit in anywhere.