Your Offseason Grade Through 12/15

[tabletop]

10 minutes ago, Roll Tide said:

8 million versus $700,000. Who was the better value? 

We won't know that answer until we see how this season plays out. I don't see what "value" has to do with anything though. I guess it all depends on how you define value.

If you want to talk in terms of on field value then last year Odor as per baseball-reference had a negative value. As per fangraphs he was worth less than $4m (assuming 1 WAR = $8m).
Frazier, in the worst year of his career, was worth $7-8m per baseball-reference and a little over $8m as per fangraphs while he was paid $8m.

Either way you want to look at it Frazier is a far better player than Odor is. He also has defensive versatility and can play anywhere on the field so it's not like he is locked into 2B like Odor was. Frazier is the type of guy the Rays have been drafting, developing, signing, and trading for over the last 10 years. He's a good baseball player.

I guess it's semantics since value will mean something different to each person. I don't see how value matters to a team with such a low payroll though. If they were up against the tax or something it would make more sense to me to care about getting every dollar out every WAR you can.

[DrinkinWithFermi]

I have been more critical of our offseason thus far than most people here seemingly are, but this is really a pointless poll. There are still two and a half months left until spring training and a lot can change between now and then, even if I personally do not expect it to. 

[glenn__davis]

1 hour ago, Frobby said:

I would grade it incomplete.  There’s no way to grade an offseason on 12/15 unless you assume that’s all the moves the team will make.  

He did say so far. So far, I'd give it an F. Plenty of time for that to change. 

[Jagwar]

Mister Blutarsky... Zero point Zero

[forphase1]

As of now it's an F for me.  The signing today actually knocked it down a grade or two.

[Sports Guy]

Here’s why it’s an F and why it’s likely to stay an F…the Orioles are addressing the dumbest parts of the roster. They are going after a position that isn’t needed, they are focused too much on the idea of a LH hitter (and a mediocre one at that) and they aren’t addressing the top of the roster.

They are taking the chance they had to be really good and showcase more young talent and they are pissing it away on mediocre, overpaid players that aren’t going to move the needle.

It’s horrible roster management, poor planning, a lack of understanding of the market and a general attitude of being ok if you don’t win in 2023 because you are “still surprised” that you are in a position to win now.
 

[Aristotelian]

Hasn't improved the team but hasn't done any long term damage. I'm fine with the guys we have gotten for the money but we are still missing a dominant starter. I'd give it a D.

[Ripken]

As I recall, the idea is to make the team better.  So, it's a clear F.

I do like that 'E' is a choice.  

[NCRaven]

1 hour ago, Jagwar said:

Mister Blutarsky... Zero point Zero

Five years of tanking down the drain.

[Moose Milligan]

1 hour ago, Sports Guy said:

Here’s why it’s an F and why it’s likely to stay an F…the Orioles are addressing the dumbest parts of the roster. They are going after a position that isn’t needed, they are focused too much on the idea of a LH hitter (and a mediocre one at that) and they aren’t addressing the top of the roster.

They are taking the chance they had to be really good and showcase more young talent and they are pissing it away on mediocre, overpaid players that aren’t going to move the needle.

It’s horrible roster management, poor planning, a lack of understanding of the market and a general attitude of being ok if you don’t win in 2023 because you are “still surprised” that you are in a position to win now.
 

This sums it up very well from my perspective. 
 

They’ve failed miserably at upgrading the rotation and Frazier’s signing is inexcusable with all of the MI talent in this organization. 
 

I also agree that they’re clinging to this idea of the need for a lefty bat too much. Who cares? 

[Sports Guy]

1 minute ago, Moose Milligan said:

This sums it up very well from my perspective. 
 

They’ve failed miserably at upgrading the rotation and Frazier’s signing is inexcusable with all of the MI talent in this organization. 
 

I also agree that they’re clinging to this idea of the need for a lefty bat too much. Who cares? 

It’s the new TTP

[OsFanSinceThe80s]

1 minute ago, Moose Milligan said:

 

I also agree that they’re clinging to this idea of the need for a lefty bat too much. Who cares? 

I'd rather sign the best hitter even if they're right handed over signing the best left handed hitter.  They're letting the OPACY dimension changes to alter their thinking on player evaluation. 

[Moose Milligan]

I also don’t care that we’re grading through 12/15. Most of the impact players we could have used are off the market. People can keep shouting that it’s only 12/15 until they’re blue in the face, it doesn’t change that they’ve whiffed so bad thus far and there’s not many free agents they can sign to take this from a D or an F to a B or an A. 

[Moose Milligan]

2 minutes ago, OsFanSinceThe80s said:

I'd rather sign the best hitter even if they're right handed over signing the best left handed hitter.  They're letting the OPACY dimension changes to alter their thinking on player evaluation. 

Correct. 

[Moose Milligan]

4 minutes ago, Sports Guy said:

It’s the new TTP

God I hope not. That **** was so annoying. 
 

Yeah, Buck, let’s focus on TTP when stealing bases is at an all time low.