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7. The offseason isn't over.  

spiritof66
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I'll go with #6: some other reason. I tried to explain my view of this in another thread. Here's a (believe it or not) shorter version. The Angeloses know that the team will be sold shortly after

Can_of_corn
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He's overly risk adverse.

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10 minutes ago, Sports Guy said:

Yea he did..because he didn’t believe in the team.

If his plan is to do the same thing as of right now, which is what you are insinuating, he doesn’t believe in this team either.

Maybe he will believe in his prospects more and these guys are just placeholders until  he is ready to promote his prospects.

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12 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

I don't think you pick up someone like McCann with the idea of flipping him.  Unless a young catcher forces the issue or he tanks completely I think he's here for the next two years.

I agree.  But Handley could force the issue and if the O's can save money they will.

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13 hours ago, Can_of_corn said:

The Astros FIRST extended Altuve in 2013.

The 2013 Astros lost 111 games.

Good try? Tho.

Not that much risk in that deal, at 4/$12.5 mm with two club options.  I’d say the 2018 extension was way riskier, even though Altuve was a known commodity by then and not so much in 2013.   

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4 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

Last year the same person did what you are saying he won't possibly do this year.

I'm at a loss how you don't think that information might be relevant.

So you believe because Elias did something in 2022 that his actions will be forever repeated. 
 

I can’t fathom you honestly believe this. 

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1 minute ago, eddie83 said:

So you believe because Elias did something in 2022 that his actions will be forever repeated. 
 

I can’t fathom you honestly believe this. 

I'm guessing that is because you didn't read it correctly?

You might want to go back and check what everyone has been actually saying. 

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11 minutes ago, Sports Guy said:

If they are the middle of a playoff season, he’s not moving these guys. 2022 was different than 2023. 

I am not sure about that at all.   Elias believes in adding to the farm system any way he can add talent.   It may well be his mode of operation for him.   If he thinks the prospects are better that the veterans at the deadline he could trade them.

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3 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

I'm guessing that is because you didn't read it correctly?

You might want to go back and check what everyone has been actually saying. 

Check what exactly? If anyone wants to trade for these players it means they are performing. 
 

Are we trying to create best case scenario possibilities where not only are the additions performing well but the prospects are outperforming the additions? 
 

Do I think it is impossible that Elias would never trade a veteran for a prospect? No I think it is still possible. He will not do that if it impacts the 2023 teams ability to compete. 

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12 minutes ago, wildcard said:

I am not sure about that at all.   Elias believes in adding to the farm system any way he can add talent.   It may well be his mode of operation for him.   If he thinks the prospects are better that the veterans at the deadline he could trade them.

If the prospects are better, that also likely means the vets suck, so they won’t have much value.

Plus these vets aren’t that great to begin with. Some upside but it’s limited. This is another huge reach for you.

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32 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

Last year the same person did what you are saying he won't possibly do this year.

I'm at a loss how you don't think that information might be relevant.

I'm pretty sure he's just being contrarian for the sake of being contrarian.

12 hours ago, MijiT88 said:

everyone can eat crow at how they demanded 10 free agent signings this offseason

Cool strawman 😋

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9 minutes ago, eddie83 said:

Check what exactly? If anyone wants to trade for these players it means they are performing. 
 

Are we trying to create best case scenario possibilities where not only are the additions performing well but the prospects are outperforming the additions? 
 

Do I think it is impossible that Elias would never trade a veteran for a prospect? No I think it is still possible. He will not do that if it impacts the 2023 teams ability to compete. 

Sigh.

OK, let's go over this nice and slow.

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These players aren’t getting dealt if they are producing and the team is winning.

This is framed as a statement of fact.  They will not get dealt if they are producing and the team is winning.  You didn't way "it will be unlikely" or "I doubt".

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Last year he traded guys when they were producing and the team was winning.

I cited Elias behavior last year, in which the team was winning and he traded players that were producing.  This was my way of showing that I did not think it was a predetermined fact that Elias would not engage in the behavior in the next season.

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Which has what relevance to 2023? 

Which I think I've just explained.

You come back with this.

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So you believe because Elias did something in 2022 that his actions will be forever repeated. 

And this is the part where I questioned if you had read everything correctly.

At no point did I state that he would do such a thing.  I was just saying that we don't know for a fact that he won't.

You were the one dealing in an absolute.

I'm not sure how you can say he won't do X when he did X just last year.  If he finds himself in a similar situation in the 2023 season I wouldn't be at all surprised to find him act in a similar manner.

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