FG’s Longenhagen top Os prospect list..Cowser at 12!

[Frobby]

7 hours ago, emmett16 said:

Freak show!  One of my favorite players all time (mostly due to his commitment to the mustache).  

 

I was just joking about the seasoning (but nevertheless interesting to see his progression the first 6 years).  Man, I wasted like 30 min on his B-Ref page.  What a career.  

One surprising thing I learned reading Yount’s page is that he only made the all-star team three times in his 20-year career.   Not many HOFers can say that.  Plus, he wasn’t an all-star the year he won his second MVP award (he had an .837 OPS at the break, .964 afterwards).

Also, he was a solid defensive SS (+25 Rtot) but a subpar CF once moved there (-72).   

Now back to your regularly scheduled program.  
 

[sportsfan8703]

@Can_of_corn What was the proposed deal you said we should have given Gunnar last year and then just called him up?  We should just do that with Jackson Holliday in September. Give him 10/200. 

[Can_of_corn]

33 minutes ago, sportsfan8703 said:

@Can_of_corn What was the proposed deal you said we should have given Gunnar last year and then just called him up?  We should just do that with Jackson Holliday in September. Give him 10/200. 

I didn't post a number but it would have been 10 years starting in 2021.

[ChuckS]

Westburg with a 2024 ETA and Norby with a 2025 ETA. That has to be an error considering both these guys are already in Triple A. 

[RZNJ]

Would love to ask Longenhagen how he can justify Kjerstad at 7 with Cowser at 12.    Swing and miss?    Cowser struck out 27% on the year.   Kjerstad struck out 25% at Aberdeen and 30% in the AFL.   Cowser is still a "maybe" in CF and probably a plus RF.   Kjerstad is maybe an average RF.   Cowser made it to AAA and finished strongly.    Kjerstad struggled in A+ and did very well in the AFL (despit poor plate discipline numbers).   Tough to say what level the AFL is or was this year but I don't think it's AA quality.

[jabba72]

1 hour ago, ChuckS said:

Westburg with a 2024 ETA and Norby with a 2025 ETA. That has to be an error considering both these guys are already in Triple A. 

I didnt really pay attention to ETA after seeing Beavers at 2027. He's just taking wild guesses. 

[SpOkane]

13 hours ago, emmett16 said:

Freak show!  One of my favorite players all time (mostly due to his commitment to the mustache).  

 

I was just joking about the seasoning (but nevertheless interesting to see his progression the first 6 years).  Man, I wasted like 30 min on his B-Ref page.  What a career.  

In the 70s and 80s I strongly disliked the Brew Crew (not NYY level), but I liked Yount.

[nvpacchi]

1 hour ago, RZNJ said:

Would love to ask Longenhagen how he can justify Kjerstad at 7 with Cowser at 12.    Swing and miss?    Cowser struck out 27% on the year.   Kjerstad struck out 25% at Aberdeen and 30% in the AFL.   Cowser is still a "maybe" in CF and probably a plus RF.   Kjerstad is maybe an average RF.   Cowser made it to AAA and finished strongly.    Kjerstad struggled in A+ and did very well in the AFL (despit poor plate discipline numbers).   Tough to say what level the AFL is or was this year but I don't think it's AA quality.

Probably the 50 power grade on Cowser, which to me feels low.  I'm no scout but after seeing Cowser flick a HR out to left center in Durham that looked destined for a long out, I'd like to think that he has above average power now, also admitting the hit tool may not be plus anymore.

Although I do agree with your sentiment, especially with how much importance Longenhagen seems to put on defense in his rankings.  Plus COF > average COF obviously every day of the week.

[Tony-OH]

11 hours ago, emmett16 said:

I like guys that can see the ball as long as possible.  That gives them a better chance to identify and hit a pitch.  You can measure that   with “trigger to impact” times.  Guys that are quick to get to their power and can wait as long as possible I believe thrive.  This is seen in natural oppo power.  I’ve seen Mayo swing and miss at a lot of seemingly very hittable pitches.  I’ve been slow to get excited but am hoping he is the next Troy Glaus.  

Maybe watch Cowser a bit and tell me the difference yet Cowser is significantly older than Mayo. Some of Mayo non-believers see what you want. I saw someone on here talk about how Mayo is the only guy that didn't improve as he moved up yet we have Henderson's 2021 where he went up to Aberdeen and struggled. You guys also don't like to remember he was very young (one of the youngest) in AA, missed most of 18-year old season between High School and pro ball, and has some of the best EVs and arms in the system.

I can't say Mayo is a sure thing, and ultimately, we'll see if he can clean up some of holes in his swing, but there's a ton of talent. I have to jump in when I see some of you saying something about a player young for his league who has some of the same problems as a player you fawn over who is a few years older and played mostly at the same levels.

Next year will give us a better idea of who Mayo is as a prospect. I will admit he's a guy with a very high ceiling, but also a low floor.

[RZNJ]

1 hour ago, Tony-OH said:

Maybe watch Cowser a bit and tell me the difference yet Cowser is significantly older than Mayo. Some of Mayo non-believers see what you want. I saw someone on here talk about how Mayo is the only guy that didn't improve as he moved up yet we have Henderson's 2021 where he went up to Aberdeen and struggled. You guys also don't like to remember he was very young (one of the youngest) in AA, missed most of 18-year old season between High School and pro ball, and has some of the best EVs and arms in the system.

I can't say Mayo is a sure thing, and ultimately, we'll see if he can clean up some of holes in his swing, but there's a ton of talent. I have to jump in when I see some of you saying something about a player young for his league who has some of the same problems as a player you fawn over who is a few years older and played mostly at the same levels.

Next year will give us a better idea of who Mayo is as a prospect. I will admit he's a guy with a very high ceiling, but also a low floor.

Sure, Henderson struggled when he moved up in 2021.   I said this year will tell us if Mayo can make the adjustments.   Henderson made huge adjustments in 2022.   Mayo can do the same thing.   Everything else I said about Mayo is true.   His plate discipline numbers got worse at each level from Delmarva to Bowie.   He also looks to be very pull oriented.   I think he'll need to improve in both areas.   Does that make me a non-believer?    

[emmett16]

1 hour ago, Tony-OH said:

Maybe watch Cowser a bit and tell me the difference yet Cowser is significantly older than Mayo. Some of Mayo non-believers see what you want. I saw someone on here talk about how Mayo is the only guy that didn't improve as he moved up yet we have Henderson's 2021 where he went up to Aberdeen and struggled. You guys also don't like to remember he was very young (one of the youngest) in AA, missed most of 18-year old season between High School and pro ball, and has some of the best EVs and arms in the system.

I can't say Mayo is a sure thing, and ultimately, we'll see if he can clean up some of holes in his swing, but there's a ton of talent. I have to jump in when I see some of you saying something about a player young for his league who has some of the same problems as a player you fawn over who is a few years older and played mostly at the same levels.

Next year will give us a better idea of who Mayo is as a prospect. I will admit he's a guy with a very high ceiling, but also a low floor.

I haven’t had a chance to see Cowser play in person yet.  I agree Mayos talent is off the charts.  Size, arm Strength and raw power at his age  put him on a very elite bracket.  I’m pulling for him to put it all together.  He just makes me a little nervous to get too excited.  I’ll happily eat crow if he mashes and will be right there rooting for him.  

[Big Mac]

5 hours ago, jabba72 said:

I didnt really pay attention to ETA after seeing Beavers at 2027. He's just taking wild guesses. 

They are based on the year that a player needs to be added to the 40 man, so I wouldn't put any stock into the ETAs. 

[Flash- bd]

Thoughts on Juan Núñez? @Tony-OH

Haven't heard of him, they've got him pretty high. 

[Tony-OH]

1 minute ago, Flash- bd said:

Thoughts on Juan Núñez? @Tony-OH

Haven't heard of him, they've got him pretty high. 

He was #44 in my top 75 prospects.

44. Juan Nunez – RHP (FCL/A): Acquired in the Jorge Lopez trade, brings a fastball that sits 94-96, but can touch 98 on occasion. His best offspeed pitch is his slider, though he also has a curveball and change. Has a long way to go command wise, but when he’s on, he has a starter’s repertoire.

[Flash- bd]

Just now, Tony-OH said:

He was #44 in my top 75 prospects.

44. Juan Nunez – RHP (FCL/A): Acquired in the Jorge Lopez trade, brings a fastball that sits 94-96, but can touch 98 on occasion. His best offspeed pitch is his slider, though he also has a curveball and change. Has a long way to go command wise, but when he’s on, he has a starter’s repertoire.

Interesting! Didn't even remember him being part of the trade. Man, our system is deep...interesting guys even at 44 on your list, pretty cool to see!