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6 minutes ago, foxfield said:

Buck wanted nothing to do with a rebuild.  Don't really blame him except that is what was needed.

I still think in hind site this all fell apart as PA was falling apart.  We just didn't know it at the time.

In retrospect it seems obvious, but PA had stayed behind the scenes for so long it wasn't apparent his health was in decline when the Orioles fell apart in 2017-18.

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2014 was our year. I agree with the sentiment that we’d view DD as a legend if we win the WS. We lost four games to KC by a combined six runs without Machado, MW, and CD. O’day took two L’s that series. Crazy. 
 

DD also didn’t pull the trigger on a Lester for Hunter Harvey trade that year. 
 

It seemed like after 2014 we were chasing. The Toronto fiasco really messed us up too. 

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9 hours ago, foxfield said:

Even if you are not a fan of Dan, this is wrong.  There was obviously plenty of blame to go around, but Dan had less power than Brady Anderson by '18.  I mean Buck practically brought back Tillman on his own.  

DD deserves blame and credit.  But in 2018, he was leading very little.  Buck and Brady had way too much control.  The blame for 2018 belongs to Peter Angelos.

Interesting that this may have been the time when he was losing his own abilities.

I think Duquette became mostly a dead man walking shortly after the whole Toronto CEO position debacle.  And, as you said, Peter Angelos probably leaned more on the people who he trusted, like Brady and Buck, who were unqualified to make GM type decisions. Buck had ulterior motives (wanted to win now / wasn't concerned about the future) and Brady was a glorified self-made strength and conditioning coach. If anyone was to blame, I think it was Peter Angelos for not outright firing Duquette before the 2016 season and hiring someone qualified he could trust (assuming he was still of sound mind and body at the time). 

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16 minutes ago, sportsfan8703 said:

2014 was our year. I agree with the sentiment that we’d view DD as a legend if we win the WS. We lost four games to KC by a combined six runs without Machado, MW, and CD. O’day took two L’s that series. Crazy. 
 

DD also didn’t pull the trigger on a Lester for Hunter Harvey trade that year. 
 

It seemed like after 2014 we were chasing. The Toronto fiasco really messed us up too. 

Yep, I just mentioned the Toronto thing in another reply. In hindsight, Peter Angelos probably should have just fired Duquette after it happened and hired someone he trusted. Then he wouldn't have leaned so heavily on Buck and Brady (as we suspect) for organizational input/guidance. 

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7 minutes ago, HakunaSakata said:

Yep, I just mentioned the Toronto thing in another reply. In hindsight, Peter Angelos probably should have just fired Duquette after it happened and hired someone he trusted. Then he wouldn't have leaned so heavily on Buck and Brady (as we suspect) for organizational input/guidance. 

Or let him go to Toronto.

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5 hours ago, Can_of_corn said:

Or let him go to Toronto.

That's what I thought at the time if Duquette was that serious about leaving then making him stay with the team was going to cause problems and by all accounts it did.

Instead of Duquette being the primary decision maker on roster transactions it devolved into a three way power struggle between DD, Buck and Brady. In addition  Peter Angelos also made decisions like the Chris Davis resigning.

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2 minutes ago, NCRaven said:

Would the players Duquette acquired during his tenure be the players that they are today if Elias hadn't brought in modern approaches to player development?  I don't think so.

Maybe Dan wouldn't have gave away a guy that has put up 9.5 rWAR in four seasons.

It just kills some people to not give Elias credit for everything.

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3 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

Maybe Dan wouldn't have gave away a guy that has put up 9.5 rWAR in four seasons.

It just kills some people to not give Elias credit for everything.

He kind of did. He was the GM when they released Christian Walker.  8.8 WAR in 545 career games.  It happens.

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