2023 Ongoing Lineup Thread

[Billy F-Face3]

21 minutes ago, SteveA said:

Okert is starting.  He is a lefty but is clearly an opener.  He pitched in last night's game.

No one is saying who is pitching bulk innings for Miami.  But perhaps the Orioles' intelligence operatives  have figured it out.

Luxardo, a lefty who is probably their best starter, was originally scheduled.  I'm guessing he is not an option for some reason unknown to us.

They do have veteran RHP Johnny Cueto, who has seemed to be washed up the last few years.

 

Thanks for the clarification.

[Billy F-Face3]

5 minutes ago, 86this said:

 

[Can_of_corn]

Just now, Fiver6565 said:

This allows them to push Wells out even further if they want to. He can get a full extra week of not pitching to get rested up for the remainder of the season.  Grayson/Irvin/Kremer v the Dodgers and then Wells on Friday or even later next weekend. 

It's funny how on one hand he said there isn't an innings cap and that evidence doesn't support them and on the other hand they are trying to limit his innings.

Which is it?

[Moshagge3]

41 minutes ago, Brian88 said:

Lefty opener followed by the corpse of Johnny Cueto

Interesting...

 

[RZNJ]

24 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

It's funny how on one hand he said there isn't an innings cap and that evidence doesn't support them and on the other hand they are trying to limit his innings.

Which is it?

I think you can feel both ways.  There is no evidence that an innings limit prevents injury but we are going to err on the side of caution.

[Can_of_corn]

1 minute ago, RZNJ said:

I think you can feel both ways.  There is no evidence that an innings limit prevents injury but we are going to err on the side of caution.

It doesn't make sense for an analytically driven organization to make moves that lower the chances of being competitive for reasons that are not quantifiable.

There is a ton of data out there on this topic.  If they haven't found a link it's a pretty fair bet it isn't there.

[IPlayGM]

3 minutes ago, RZNJ said:

I think you can feel both ways.  There is no evidence that an innings limit prevents injury but we are going to err on the side of caution.

And honestly, if health doesn’t become an issue, throw all these guys in the ring and let the best 5 remaining standing.

[RZNJ]

1 minute ago, Can_of_corn said:

It doesn't make sense for an analytically driven organization to make moves that lower the chances of being competitive for reasons that are not quantifiable.

There is a ton of data out there on this topic.  If they haven't found a link it's a pretty fair bet it isn't there.

It seems like they are not 100% in agreement on your last sentence even if they lean that way.   

[Fiver6565]

38 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

It's funny how on one hand he said there isn't an innings cap and that evidence doesn't support them and on the other hand they are trying to limit his innings.

Which is it?

I think when he talks about not limiting innings, he means not shortening starts, or not having to shut a pitcher down for the season. Doesn’t mean they can’t be prudent when a rare opportunity to do so arises, and it’s not the direct contradiction you’re implying it is. 

[AnythingO's]

Wells threw 102 inn last year, he is at 103 now. He has had shoulder issues before. His max in Mil was 119 inn in 2018. It is prudent to protect a young, proven SP commodity and maybe limit him to 40-50 inn Y-O-Y so about 150 this year. You want him for the playoffs so you manage his inn in the summer. Probably not a "cap" because they are watching every pitch. If he still looks good at 150 he will get more.

[Can_of_corn]

2 minutes ago, RZNJ said:

It seems like they are not 100% in agreement on your last sentence even if they lean that way.   

In that case don't say.

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There’s no real science behind that, either. There’s nothing that’s ever proven that throwing more innings leads to injury.

Don't tell me that you know there isn't an actual scientific reason to do something and then do it anyway.

[Can_of_corn]

1 minute ago, AnythingO's said:

Wells threw 102 inn last year, he is at 103 now. He has had shoulder issues before. His max in Mil was 119 inn in 2018. It is prudent to protect a young, proven SP commodity and maybe limit him to 40-50 inn Y-O-Y so about 150 this year. You want him for the playoffs so you manage his inn in the summer. Probably not a "cap" because they are watching every pitch. If he still looks good at 150 he will get more.

He's not young, he's 28.

There is no evidence that it protects him.

If there was evidence it would make sense.

[RZNJ]

2 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

In that case don't say.

Don't tell me that you know there isn't an actual scientific reason to do something and then do it anyway.

Just because something hasn’t been proven doesn’t mean it doesn’t happen.   I tend to agree that innings limit, themselves, don’t help to avoid injury.   You always sound like you feel you’re being played or lied to by Elias.   Oh well.

[Roll Tide]

1 hour ago, Brian88 said:

Hicks scratched form the lineup, Hays now starting 

I wonder if Cedric is headed back to the DL. 

[Bemorewins]

5 minutes ago, Roll Tide said:

I wonder if Cedric is headed back to the DL. 

Hyde said in pregame that Mullins is day to day. Also, said Hicks' back tighten up pregame causing the switch in the lineup.